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# Calm down.
At the end of this strange decade of fear and hypocrisy, we can tally up the scores.

American civilian deaths on 9/11: 2,977
Afghan civilians killed in the resulting "War on Terror": 8,813
Iraqi civilians killed for some reason I never will understand: 864,531*

(*copied and pasted from sources I never bothered to check. Feel free to correct me)
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:25, archived)
# those people in the towers
had nothing to do with either Iraq or Afghanistan. So what you seem to imply is that's ok because they were American?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:30, archived)
# At no point did I say it was OK
That was more an unrelated footnote. Sorry if you thought it was a justification.

If you want me to justify the image. I have only this to say: This is b3ta.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:37, archived)
# I've said nothing about the image
I just question your motives for presenting the "tally"
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:44, archived)
# Motives?
Clearly just to get involved in a messageboard argument
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:52, archived)
# it's a simple question
you presented a tally list. My question is simply why.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:54, archived)
# It was a thought I had.
Do you get offended by holocaust jokes?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:57, archived)
# frankly yes
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:06, archived)
# Spang
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:15, archived)
# check back with us after you suffer some tragedy
so we can all get a good laugh
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:17, archived)
# Thought that was an Anne Frank pun!
There's stuff that pops up on here from time to time that offends me greatly due to my own life story. But I let it pass. I ignore it. I don't comment. Because either everything goes or nothing goes.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:21, archived)
# I let a lot of things that I find offensive pass for the same reason
but that's no reason for me to try to grab 13 seconds of attention at the expensive of thousands who suffered horrific deaths. And think about it--there's not even any humor in it. "Hey look at me--I made some dying person look silly! That makes me special."

Now that I've said my piece (which too is a b3ta prerogative,) and I'll get off the soapbox.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:38, archived)
# Well
Apologies for offending you and those who lost their lives at the expense of the sensless actions of some overgrown ex pro wrestler.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:43, archived)
# It took me five whole minutes to figure out what you were alluding to there
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:49, archived)
# Excellent
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:22, archived)
# chill out man
i've seen you post some odd things, ls18, i'm sure examples could be found if i searched but i'd rather not. i find it odd that you have chosen to take offence at posted images all of a sudden. it doesn't tally with your past behaviour. tis b3ta, after all.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:34, archived)
# you'd benefit from more listening and less advice
So much attention is given to "not offending" on b3ta when it comes to race or sexual orientation. I feel fine about adding mass deaths to the list of concerns.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:42, archived)
# i heard that
*was a reply to the original bold comment before the edited text was added*
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:44, archived)
# But an Anne Wank picture is ok apparantly...
Sorry dude, i love your work here on b3ta, but in this case your argument is not consistent with your own actions.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:50, archived)
# at the time I did the Anne Frank thing, I had no clue who she was
and nothing about her, other than that her name rhymed with wank.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:05, archived)
# and the posters you condemn know what about what now?
to your knowledge, that is... ?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:13, archived)
# ??
I've condemned no one. I've said the 9/11 tragedy isn't funny. If it is, you'll have to explain how it is, because I just don't see it.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:19, archived)
# BS detector going way into the red here.
Read the small print above the book title in that picture.
Why not simply admit that this pic was just as tasteless as the stuff you so vehemently condemn here today?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:18, archived)
# whatever makes you feel good
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:21, archived)
# You're pretty comfortable with unfunny islamophobic shit
and blatant racism though, right? That's the conclusion I've drawn from your posts here at least.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:02, archived)
# I have no respect for radical islam, if that is what you are referring to,
and it seems silly to equate the 9/11 ordinary working people with that crowd of slayers. Further, you must have your own definition of racism, which does not apply here.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:11, archived)
# point - missed
note the use of the word 'civilian'
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:37, archived)
# what do you think the point was in even presenting the tally of deaths?
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(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:55, archived)
# wow
like... - man!

thanks for that!
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:08, archived)
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:55, archived)
# Haha.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 15:57, archived)
# this one is better :P
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:04, archived)
# And the Afgan and Iraqi civilians had nothing to do with the attack on the twin towers
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:30, archived)
# True indeed.
Tomorrow we're all supposed to be commemorating the horrendous crime that 9/11 was. Hardly any attention will be paid to our own terrible crimes committed as a result of that day.
That may have been the point of butters' tally.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:41, archived)
# war is hell, no doubt
and I think its great to depict as fools those who perpetrate crimes in it. But I see no humor whatsoever in making light of non-participating victims. That's just how I see it.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:59, archived)
# The horror, The horror
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:46, archived)
# hahaha outstanding
get you a crate of beer for that one
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 17:57, archived)
# In that case
it logicaly follows from your own standards of humor/decency
that your Anne Wank picture was not funny and you were wrong
posting such a thing.
And please don't come up again with: i didn't know who she was.

I'm through with this thread now.

Edit: the "i love your work here" still stands...
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:00, archived)
# Had I known anything about her, I would not have photoshopped the image.
If you must insist that I did know, then you are pissing into the wind.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:13, archived)
# Of course you knew...
the image challenge you posted the picture for was called:
The Funny Side of War
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:18, archived)
# I said I have no problem spoofing perps of war
I did NOT know she was a victim, so you might as well give it up.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:31, archived)
# Clutching at straws now, are we?
Who did you think she was then?
A member of the Hitler Jugend?
(Or don't you know who he was either...)
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:36, archived)
# No, you fuckwad
I knew she was a Jew and had some vague but incorrect notion that she was working underground against the Nazis--not that she was was a prisoner who died in a death camp.

You are beginning to irritate me with your telling me what I knew and what I didn't. You are no fucking mind reader, so let's just drop this, OK?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 19:53, archived)
# But now you do know
Would you agree that your picture goes against your principles? And that therefore you should remove it in order not to be (as you now know for sure, if not earlier) a complete hypocrite?
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 20:03, archived)
# It's done
So now let's all get back to joking about people falling to their deaths as if none of this thread happened--right? After all, even had I been the hypocrite people seem to be claiming, that does not justify these stupid 9/11 images.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 20:12, archived)
# Anne Frank: War Criminal
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:49, archived)
# Hahaha!
She was small, but she packed a punch.
(, Sat 10 Sep 2011, 18:58, archived)