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There is no good thing about a get rich quick scheme run by a dead mental patient, and is only followed by people with nothing left to live for but decide to anyway.
We've got enough religions as it is, we don't need any more excuses to fight each other. Can't we all just agree to abandon religion and get along in the safe knowledge that everyone is entitled to believe what they want, and no-one can prove any of it to be correct? Even scientific fact is a religion of sorts. Philosophically speaking, nothing could be real, so why fight about it?
Oh, and have this picture here. I think it's my best 'shop yet, though it's still a bit edge-blurry. And sorry if it's been done.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 18:54, archived)
I know it's pointless, as no-one will ever change, but I'd still like to point out the pointlessness of it all.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:01, archived)
The point to point out pointlessness is not pointless, but the point of pointing out pointlessness as pointless is pointless. Do you see my point?
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:11, archived)
It is not a religion. That is proven legal fact. It is not a charity having been refused this status in many countries ( they crave this status to avoid the countless IRS cases filed against them ). It is a business that chooses to make its money from hypnosis and suggestion to bleed its lower tier members of their cash and labour so that the upper tiers can live like kings.
This is the CHURCH of scientology I refer to and not the practice of scientology which is followed by others such as the freezoners and Ronsorg who although misguided are not human rights abusing cults.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:00, archived)
in the meantime, they have an army of lawyers to shut up anyone that disagrees. But hey - "Free Personality Analysis!"
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:05, archived)
Scientology is not one.
Equally Buddhism is not a religion.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:06, archived)
they believe in xenu & thetans
they practice a pretty wide range of "non standard" stuff, like not making a noise during child-birth.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:10, archived)
Otherwise everyone would be religious as everyone holds a set of beliefs.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:12, archived)
if it forms a major part of your lifestyle. No superhuman powers there.
You're thinking of theism, which is a form of religion.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:15, archived)
but you will find that the British and US Legal definitions of religion include a Deity or Supernatural power.
TCOS Believe in a supernatural entity, but he is a ghost figure, not a creator.
Scientology is therefore not a religion.
One cannot religiously follow a sports team unless one actually believes . . . wewll, you know.
It is merely a figure of speech.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:17, archived)
Federal? State? (which ones?)
TCOS is a tax-exempt non-profit organisation in the US, and the US State dept does not look kindly on European "religious discrimination" of US citizens [ www.uscirf.gov ]
This is all getting silly (as in, not silly and far too serious for b3ta).
*belms*
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:27, archived)
you can have someone use religion as an adjective to describe the intensity of your passion for football as religious. You can't actually be religious about it de facto,. Unless of course you want to start a religion. Manchester United is already mine.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:19, archived)
requirement to have a belief in deity. That pretty much counts out religion. However I don't really care, because religion is just another cult for the weak and the sheep.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:13, archived)
I feel that there are plenty of sheep in atheism as well.
I personal both question my beliefs and consider nobody else's beliefs to be 'wrong' as I cannot know anything.
And,conveniently, it is time I went to church.
Cheerio B3ta, back around 9ish.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:15, archived)
Even though Michael Stipe told us otherwise.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:10, archived)
but I have spent a fascinating day reading all about scientology and that included a lot of legal papers and affidavits. They went to court to be given legal status as a religion. It was refused on the grounds that they are a commercial enterprise or similar.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:11, archived)
I read that they succeeded in the end, and are tax-free in the US.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:14, archived)
but I'm not going to call anyone a liar over it.
If you would like a serious insight into this 'religion' and it's practice I would hope you could take the time to read this.
www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/ls/indexls.html
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:22, archived)
seem a bit too interesting to quite ring true.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:34, archived)
corroborated by an ex Cos Staff ( on Hubbard's and later DM's staff ) giving evidence against in court when the last lot went to jail ( sorry I'm vague but I have read the original court documents today just would take me ages to find them again )
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It isn't a bad way to live, if we are honest, it is only the church of Scientology which is a problem.
Religion doesn't cause wars, although it is often used as an excuse. It is religious intolerance which causes wars.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:05, archived)
Well, the second bit anyway. It's religious extremism which is the problem, and what I don't like about it. As I said, everyone should feel free to believe what they want.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:13, archived)
but religious intolerance wouldn't exist without religion.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:18, archived)
you'd not have people trying to think how to prove themselves right. Ergo, you'd have less progress, less technology, less tolerance, and no b3ta.
I do however, love the idea of everyone sitting around in a beautiful green world full of animals in peace without global warming, war, prejudice or Hillary Clinton. But that's never going to happen, so I'm a massive cynic instead.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:26, archived)
progress is the result of civilisation and science. Religion was the result of a lack of civilisation and science. There is no longer a need to find answers in an invisible friend when a bit of education and common sense can do that with less of a leap of faith.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:58, archived)
do you think early civilisation was based on? Science was fuelled by our desire to be better, and religion had a hand in it. I'm not saying that we wouldn't have done anything without it, but religion has had a much larger effect on life as we know it than just war and funny hats. You can't simply state the world would be better off without religion, because billions of people would suddenly have nothing to live for, be utterly confused about life, and probably kill themselves. Just because I don't adhere to any specific religion doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss all of them out of hand.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 20:43, archived)
TJ: Speaking of lots of words, i'm currently compiling some scientific data which is involving lots and lots of copy and pasting, trouble is also lots of editing what i'm copying from, which is both tedious and time consuming.
Anyone know of any freeware that is a sort of 'smart' copy and paste tool?
As an example of what I mean, this is the emo skinks: www.tigr.org/reptiles/search.php?submit=Search&genus=Emoia (I kid you not) :) I've got to take out the data either side of the species name

(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:08, archived)
A tool that will enable me to selectively 'copy' the species on that list without the genus before them, and the names and dates afterwards!
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:16, archived)
So youd just need the first one to read adspera rather than Emoia adspersa Steindachner 1870.
Ill have a look for you, it may need a formula but Ill try.
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:17, archived)
for this: www.jahled.co.uk/20.txt being built for meta tagging an image data base for ZSL
(, Thu 14 Feb 2008, 19:25, archived)
lifehacker.com . That's the sort of thing they like.
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