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This is a link post Patrick Moore explains why he helped to create Greenpeace, and why he decided to leave it.

(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 8:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Gamesmaster's gotten preachy hasn't he?
Enjoyed that, click
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 8:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha!
I pressed play and walked away, so just listening.

Having assumed from title it was indeed Sir PM, I took this to be a bot-read transcript, and wondered why they used the one from Bhutan.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Patrick Moore? I'll assume the abridged answer was:
"because it's full of women and blacks"
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post and..
'VOTE UKIP!'
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I used to work on Gamesmaster and can confirm he was a drunken misogynist and racist.

(I helped save b3ta! nocturne72, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post needs moar xylaphone.

(I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 15:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Gah! Prager "University".
Also, note how, having said that to talk about ecology, you need to know some science, he then goes on to talk about moral duties without considering whether some philosophical training might help with that (around 3:10).

At 3:50, he opposes "science and logic" to "senseationalism, misinformation, and fear". But that's a false dichotomy. Science is neutral - it does nothing without an agenda - and the same applies to logic. Neither can dictate what ought to be done.

This is not meant as a blanket defence of Greenpeace: they're flat wrong on GM foods like golden rice, for example. But to say that the 2 million lives that could be saved don't matter to Greenpeace, and that their deaths aren't bad, is simply poisoning the well. All GP is saying is that this is not the way to save them. They may be wrong: but it makes more sense, and is much more dignified, to tackle them for what they do think than for what they don't.

In short, I call Troll on this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post I called 'fuckwit' when he mentioned Vietnam as a reason for being radicalised
in an age when Communism was trying to impose itself on the world, and his reaction was to go about 'peace.'

That's when I stopped watching
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, yes.
Because there's no way at all that the Vietnam war was the result of Europeans and Americans imposing themselves on the world, is there?

That simply doesn't happen.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post A nice assessment of history, blame it on 'imperialism'
Anyway, enough bollocks on b3ta for today
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree.
Your assessment - that it was all the fault of a few marauding Reds - is much more nuanced. I realise that now. Well done you.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Totally writing some slashfiction about you & Jahled's barely-repressed-homoerotic interactions on here.
It's pretty sexy stuff.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think conscription into a regional conflict on the other side of the world with a massive casualty rate in order to halt an ideology
Protests against which were violently squashed including the shooting of unarmed students by the national guard.

Is possibly going to cause a little radicalisation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Moreover, as Jahled has so eloquently confirmed,
there is no way that European imperialism and American intervention had any ideological component. None at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not even the real Patrick Moore!
Thanks for highlighting bullshit.
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's exactly what I thought
Patrick Moore... Greenpeace? What? Oh.
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Or
You could have just pointed out that he banded out a 2M figure without source/reference, straight after claiming GP resorts to hyperbole.

Edit: yeah, I fucked that one up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaBt_bXlXmk

We know.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post The lack of reference is a problem;
but though the 2m figure seems high, it's not completely crazy. Like, not orders-of-magnitude crazy. Vitamin A deficiency does have a high morbidity and mortality rate (mainly among infants) - and so while it probably doesn't kill 2m directly, that it might be a contributory factor to that many deaths isn't really hyperbolic.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not saying that
The figure is irrelevant, ANY figure is irrelevant, unless you provide source, no?
It grates on me he admonishes the lack of "science" while doing the exact same thing. Would have thought he'd be up on that.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post It could easily be relevant.
However, a source (or some account of how the figure was derived) would make it more credible.

It'd be fallacious to think that a source is necessary for relevance, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Again I'm not saying that.
I wouldn't be surprised at that figure at all, and it didn't look odd. Perhaps it's my own issue, but surely if you were to call someone out on hyperbole, you'd at least back up your own figures from the outset.

Although this is the internet i 'spose.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post And it is Prager "University".
So, yeah. We shouldn't expect too much.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post well if everyone cited sources during a speech they'll start to sound like a wiki artical.
However 30 seconds of digging backs up the statement....
"Golden Rice has the potential to prevent the death of 2 million of the worlds poorest children every year"

With a report from the WHO
"Improved vitamin A nutriture would be expected to prevent approximately
1-2 million deaths annually among children aged 1-4 years. "
whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/1992/Vol70-No2/bulletin_1992_70(2)_225-232.pdf

And apparently Vitamin A deficiency is also the leading cause of blindness in children.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sperm is a good source of vitamin A.
So we should send Gary Glitter back to Southeast Asia and he could provide supplements to the deprived kids.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yep
Didn't dig.
Soz.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Cornish people eat pasties...
...because the crust keeps the evidence off their fingers"1
1/,UK census 2001.
Cool :-)
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't love them I just say that to get them into bed.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Being a prick
Soz.
 (dribl, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good post.

(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Philosophical training won't help with anything.

(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I used to drink in a place here in Amsterdam that was near their head office and many of them used to drink in there.
I support some of the things they stand for but as people most of them were cunts!
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Insightful

(I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 19:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post The chlorine and golden rice comparison is misleading. makes golden rice seem like a no-brainer
I assume golden rice can only be bought from one supplier...
I am fairly skeptical about the prager university videos. They start off v reasonable then usually segue into something else.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post international powerhoose

(I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Although to beef hair...
...he does make some good points. Greenpeace comes from a good place, they actually DO shit as well as talking about it, but their reasoning gets pretty murky when emotions come into play.

It seems (to me at least and speaking very generally) that the greatest problem Green politics has is that it needs to accommodate so many contradictory (if well-meaning) ideologies - and they're not all thought out before they're implemented. There's some more stuff here.
 (I helped save b3ta! dysonology "You get an 'ology', you're a scientist!", Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post banning chlorine?
that's beyond stupid and this never happened
 (I helped save b3ta! colmcq2, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 14:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed...
But Greenpeace was in favour of banning it, their (at the time) head of toxin research or something, Joe Thornton, wrote a book about it called Pandora's Poison. They said: "“There are no uses of chlorine which we regard as safe.” There was a big campaign from I think 1990ish onward.
 (I helped save b3ta! dysonology "You get an 'ology', you're a scientist!", Thu 30 Jul 2015, 17:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Here's some stuff about it
www.cei.org/pdf/1518.pdf
 (I helped save b3ta! dysonology "You get an 'ology', you're a scientist!", Thu 30 Jul 2015, 17:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post I dislike Greenpeace for 2 simple reasons : The Nazca Lines incident, and chuggers

(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 15:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I rather like Greenpeace

(macroscian (1 like), Thu 30 Jul 2015, 15:50, , Reply)