We're in the news again.
Seems people struggle to take a joke. To pardon a pun.
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Quite a good article
Frankly, Sickipedia seems like something of a failed experiment to me.
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The Coast Of Yemen, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 17:11,
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Interesting
I can understand why professionals get upset when they see their material posted on there, but in some cases they're the victim of their own success. If a joke is funny it is going to be passed around verbally and on the net, and if someone tells you a good joke you don't expect them to credit the source afterwards.
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Monty Propps, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 17:16,
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To me,
To you.
Chuckle Brothers 1804
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Blackdogmanguitar is pretending beer rationing is coming in on, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 17:18,
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the journalist who wrote this - Jay Richardson - has written something that misrepresents the site and hasn't given me right of reply
the quotes in the article from me are from an email chat I had with him where he didn't identify himself as a journalist looking for a story for publication. This is highly unprofessional.
Quoted below - his stuff in italics to make it clearer to read.
Dear Rob,
I’m researching intellectual property and was wondering if you could satisfy my curiosity with regard to Sickipedia.
In the website’s guidelines you state that “Attributing jokes to their original sources (comedians, television programmes, etc) in tags beneath jokes” is “good”.
Do you enforce this attribution and if so, how?
In your guidelines you state that Frankie Boyle should credit Sickipedia. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
On your personal blog in December 2006, you asked is “Coke Ripping Off The Little Guy?”, highlighting similarities between a music video entitled Ninja by the artist Joel Veitch and a Coca-Cola advert broadcast in Argentina. You write “it is absolutely without permission and really scummy” and that you don’t like to see members of the B3ta community’s “work getting purloined for commercial purposes without their permission/cash in their pocket”.
Would you care to comment on the apparent hypocrisy of your position, given that comedians' material is being ripped off by Sickipedia?
Jay Richardson
sickipedia is a community of people trying to write jokes and trying to document the freeflying stuff that gets passed around in pubs etc - the intention is not to rip off comedians
recently a comedian has been in touch annoyed that his jokes have appeared on the site - we worked with him to remove them
however this backfired and caused a mini-striesland effect
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) so at the moment we are trailing a method of attributing stuff when it comes up.
an example can be found here - www.sickipedia.org/joke/245408 - we might not have it right yet but we are trying to find a balance where the community can enjoy swapping jokes and a comedian will get credit and a bit of promo.
the frankie boyle comment is news to me (I'm not the only person who works on the site) - and I've just looked it up and I think it's a rather odd accusations and I'll ask for it to be removed.
right - hope your curiosity is satisfied.
rob.
Thanks Rob, but what about the comedians who aren't aware their jokes are on the site?
And Gary Delaney, does he know the bit giving him "credit and a bit of promo" links to a post calling him a cunt?
Jay R.
ok - there's two things at work here and we're confusing them slightly the "Original Author: Gary Delaney" is the new policy we're trailing. This is what I refer to as the promo. It goes to google allow people to find out more.
the tags going to messages that abuse Gary are the result of Gary asking us to remove material and the community members feeling aggrieved about it. I wasn't actually aware of these specific messages until you pointed it out - it's not ideal and I can't imagine it will make Gary happy.
however this hopefully calm down in the future as the whole point on the new attribution thing is to allow people to say "hey that's my joke, credit would be nice" without getting abused for their trouble.
and as to any future problems - we'll work with them on a case by case basis as and when they happen.
Rob
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rob twitter.com/robmanuel is following you, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 17:54,
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i like this
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DaveExclamationMark speedcoredave.co.uk | Pinkie Pie Style!, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:04,
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the whole thing is very irritating - Jay Richardson gets a number of things wrong:
* attribution IS NOT only available to those who notice and ask for it, it's available to for all. If you see a joke that you think is someone elses material you can attribute it.
* further more it republishes a potential libel that I specifically told him I was unaware of and that I would remove. Which we did.
* but more than anything - and this is what really irritates me - the whole tone misrepresents what the site is about: There's loads of people on there writing their own jokes.
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rob twitter.com/robmanuel is following you, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:21,
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intellectual property is theft.
edit. i should really credit Pierre-Joseph Proudhon for the original sentence which i've sampled and changed.
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solletico sniffed a pock of pockled poppers on, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:07,
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I find it quite strange that "comics" can actually say they "own" a joke.
With today's technology jokes (like music) have a very short shelf life and are bound to be picked up by somebody - or indeed thought up by somebody else.
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TBL has been nicking oldpoints wifi since, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:20,
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Yeah, but
unlike music, jokes don't really stand up to repeated hearings. I can understand the beef comics have, but this Richardson fella's gone about it all the wrong way.
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gingerfreak Pan Book Of Horror 12 was my favourite, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:58,
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I'm guessing
you have never made an image and posted it here only to find it in Zoo, Nuts or somewhere else with no credit.
The guy is right to be pissed with people posting his trial material online, especially if they claim it as their own.
Rob is also right to be pissed at that article paints sikipeado in a bad way. He should front page that email on every domain he owns.
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hahaha
"And Gary Delaney, does he know the bit giving him "credit and a bit of promo" links to a post calling him a cunt?"
and? That's certainly not illegal, deal with it bitch lol
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Firkinfedup was right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:29,
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I've just been looking around for Gary Delaney's stuff, which you do have to hunt for
And frankly, it's grim. I want to know what the people who wrote his good reviews had their drinks spiked with.
newswithjokes.podbean.com/
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Monty Propps, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:35,
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I've seen him live
it's painful.
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spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 10 Nov 2009, 10:22,
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Must have been a one-off bad gig.
Seen him a few times, and every single time he's absolutely took the roof off. Brilliant act.
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Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Tue 10 Nov 2009, 10:43,
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Jay Richardson is a cunt
and he can quote me on that only if he gives due credit.
(, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 18:36, Reply)
I'm sure someone will claim to have said this first
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McBadger JESUS RAVES!, Tue 10 Nov 2009, 1:22,
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What a monumental bellend
It's user submitted content and it's content that's hugely difficult to prove a claim on copyright. I bet all joke books do clearance on every joke - my arse.
Sounds to me like you've done everything reasonably possible to be fair.
He's an underhanded twat of a desperate journalist - take his comments for what they're worth - fuck all.
I have a bit of sympathy for the "comedian" but for fuck's sake, if you're worth your salt you should be genuinely funny and engaging enough not to be getting sand up your minge about some lines going on the internet.
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SpunkyBackpack, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 20:20,
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I'm in an interesting position here...
I'm a big fan of B3ta, but also a big fan of Gary Delaney, so can totally understand where both sides are coming from.
The 'There are only X amount of jokes in the world' argument is always trotted out whenever someone is accused of nicking another comic's jokes. Unfortunately that argument is totally flawed; the same argument is brought out for books, stories, movies and music.
(An exception to this rule is Peter Kay - he's released almost exactly the same material on DVD for the past several years and for some reason his army of rabid fans still buy his stuff. But that's a totally different subject that I could go on about for days)
In my opinion, the attribution is the best response possible. Like has been said, if people want to share something, they will do. They may as well get some publicity out of it.
Sadly, because Rob's the 'public face' of sickipedia, he gets the bad reputation when a minority of trolls decide to act in a completely unreasonable fashion. But hey, this is the internet.
I've met Gary a few times, and he is absolutely, definitely, positively not an unreasonable or 'precious' guy.
BTW - I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from Chortle turns up at the Sickipedia gig this evening.
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Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Tue 10 Nov 2009, 10:22,
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