A certain B3tan seems to be on the front page of the Piratebay
Nicely done Sah!
GC says no, shirley shome mishtake?
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Dan Bull / B3tan Housewife (if I'm right)
His "Bye Bye BPI" is on the front page where the logo would be.
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Dan Bull embedded video about the BPI
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Paster of Muppets is an incredible screen name, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 5:00,
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Yeah come back and do the same when you've got a few albums out and trying to make a living.
And you've got to pay for studio time, video production,album art, production etc.
Artist wants to give it away for free fair enough.
Myspace, spotify and the like will do that and you can get some recognition for it and You can choose to take it down later.
P2P? You've just been arse raped by thousands of sharers and lost all fucking control.
It's when when I started graphics.
Amount of cunt work people expected me to do for
free just to get my name known.
Now I want paying.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 7:12,
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Why not create a website where songs are uploaded on individual webpages
and a portion of the advert revenue from visiting the page goes to the artist? The more popular a song the more the artist gets paid, if the incoming money reaches a set value then the song becomes available to download for free. (and a yearly membership lets you download the song early)
Makes the most sense to me.
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Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 8:29,
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At a rate of 1$ per 1000 views if I remember correctly.
at the current exchange rate 4763 will have needed to listen to an artists song in order for that artist to afford a pint.
Assuming there's only one member of the band.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:46,
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if only 5k people like the music you make
perhaps you don't deserve a pint x x x
only joking x
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And this is why I make a point of paying for CD's
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Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:00,
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meh...
Creative business models are broken.
Don't try and keep them working by artificially forcing people to not do things that are as effortless as sharing a few kb of digital data.
Can't make money from doing something you love any more? Fucking diddums, become a plumber.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:37,
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And what buisness model would you suggest musicians take?
Whoring themselves on youtube for a pitance?
Or because they do something they enjoy they don't deserve a living wage?
Does your sentiment also apply to games designers and film makers too?
Please enlighten me as to what buisness model the creative industries should take in other to be able to do what they do and afford rent, food, etc.
And there is a huge difference between creating amusing gifs or jps from pieces of google images to actually sitting down and working for days to create something.
Just as there's a huge difference between rapping badly on a youtube video and getting yourself into a studio, recording it, and releasing a single.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:51,
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Gigging, selling merchandise.
The simple fact is, trying to make a living by selling copies of recordings of your music is, in 99% of cases, pointless.
Game designers - stop making games for PC (which are easily copied). Xbox live, Wiiware & PS3 equivalent. Or do as flash developers do and create free games with sponsorship and/or ads.
Movie makers - fuck em! I really don't care about them at all. Not a movie fan tbh... still doesn't stop them selling their wares to TV companies and cinemas. If the movie industry as a whole didn't act like such dicks when it comes to the digital revolution maybe I'd be more sympathetic to their cause. The budding film makers of tomorrow will still go out with their cameras and the best of those will create memorable and noticeable works which will rise them to the top, be shown in cinemas worldwide, earn a fortune... whoop-de-do.
I guess what I'm trying to say is just because people were able to make a living from it yesterday doesn't mean they have a god given right to do it 'til the end of time. Tough shit! Sorry.
Nobody is taking away anybody's right or ability to make money from these creative fields, just that it's not the veritable goldmine it used to be. Tough shit.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:18,
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WOOOOOOOOOO!
This sooooooo hard!
We might see more real artists, who do it for the art.
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Is your "o" button broke?
"who do it for the art".
Yeah that's a load of bollocks.
What does that mean exactly?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:34,
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Doing it for the love of it, as opposed to for the money.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:40,
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That's the most middle class wank i've heard in a long time.
Back to the day when people ponced about doing bland water colours and writing poetry whilst mama and papa paid for their up keep.
Or maybe if they were lucky they got a rich patron to keep them in rhodamine fucking red.
People got bills to pay.
Musics cheaper than it ever was.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:44,
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What has class got to do with anything?
Other than the fact that you have some kind of pampered sense of entitlement usually only displayed by spoilt rich kids.
Van Gogh lived and died a pauper. He did it for the love of it.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:18,
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you pretentious idiot
van gogh repeatedly tried to sell art, and ending up giving away paintings to satisfy an extremely large bar tab...
his doing it for the love of it, caused him to die pennyless and alone thinking the world thought he was rubbish....
he would have been overjoyed to have sold a painting for a large sum...
he did it for the love it, because no one would pay him...read his letters to his brother...it tortured him inside.
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It's class because the only peopel i've heard mention doing "art for the love of it" have been in that class.
And very well off.
The Van Gough argument is bollocks as per comments above.
What because I earn a living as a creative I need to have a fucking miserable life?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:36,
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yeah its like plumbers or carpenters or doctors...
they do all their work for free "for the love of it"
oh hang on wait...
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it means
if someone is producing 'art', thereby referring to themselves as 'artists', just to make a living, well, keep it.
Art for cash is shite. shite shite shite
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Then you make creativity the reseve of the rich.
Those that have bills to pay can keep any talents they have buried and work on the tills instead eh?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:46,
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Rest of us?
The creative industries employ 794,000 people in this country and contributes £28billion to the UK economy.
It's not just a few perfumed ponces faffing about have a nice time.
How about you support that industry and avoid even more reliance on the financial sector?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:10,
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I produce music
It's not very good in my opinion, but I enjoy it, always have. That doesn't mean that I am entitled to a living from it. If I made something I was really proud of, and it somehow got out to the world and loads of other people enjoyed it, I'd be chuffed to bits, not sitting here with a grump on with my hand out.
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There is a difference between doing something as a hobby and as a job.
I used to be grateful for any publicity.
Worked for every evening for no money until I managed to land my first graphics job.
Then I got paid a small amount of money for it, worked all day 5 days a week getting home knackered eye's hurting from looking at a screen all day.
After while I got better at it. Got paid more.
Now I earn a living from it.
It's not a "grump on" it's protecting an industry that's on a knife edge.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:25,
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so if you make a table you can sell it
but if you make an album you should give it away for free?
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No, you can try and sell it
but don't start moaning when people decide to NOT buy it because technology has moved on to such a degree that they can get a duplicate for free.
Nobody forced you to spend X thousand pounds hiring out a recording studio plus engineer plus mastering. Diddums.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:34,
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i dont make music...
i sell film/tv/and internet ideas...
i do this so that i can provide a house and a life for my family
(a modest one)
but i should be doing this for the love right?
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if you want to call yourself an artist, yes
if you do it just for money, then its just a job.
If you get paid, good for you.
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you seem to have misunderstood the role
money has in art...
artists like van gogh were Career painters...they wanted to sell their work for money.
the whole doing it for art thing... is mainly a product of the minds that arn't connected to industry.
michaelangelo was a sculpter and painter FOR HIRE
as was Da vinci....
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What an excellent point you've just made!
You've named arguable three of the most highly respected artistes of all time, yet ALL of them, as you rightly point out, had day jobs to pay the bills and supplement their love for art. Let alone the fact that Van Gogh died a pauper.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:48,
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erm...
no i was illustrating that all of those ARTISTS used paid for comissions...
that the ART they created was PAID FOR IN ADVANCE...
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Your point being...?
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:56,
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that none of those GREAT ARTISTS
were doing it for the art... they where all paid... and paid fairly well by todays standards...
it was in response to a comment which said if i create something and sell it...its a job... and that i can only be an artist if i give it away for free...
its all in the thread dude... seriously.
EDIT: here it is lazy:
me: but i should be doing this for the love right?
NOG: if you want to call yourself an artist, yes
if you do it just for money, then its just a job.
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I don't have a clue what relevance this has to the original topic...
You wanna call yourself an artist? Go for it.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:07,
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Exactly.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:35,
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Well the "artists make money from gigs and merch" is a bad example.
Not all bands are the fucking beatles.
Next time you play a game check out the credits.
You see all those people? They needed paying.
Copy and past fucking flash games? Same boring shit
over and over again with different graphics?
Fuck that.
"budding" film makers will still go out with their cameras?
More of this "do it for free it'll be good for your portfolio wank" eh?
They'll create memorable and noticeable works whilst holding down a second job to pay for all the equipment eh? Film at fucking weekends?
You future entertainment is full of "Tough Shit"
Gold mine? Do me a favour. Most of us just want to get by.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:42,
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STOP ARGUING THIS POINT
b3ta is split between two types of people...
creative people who are working in creative industries
and everyone else who thinks the creative industries are evil and that because my job means i use a pencil and paper that i should be doing it for free for the benefit of mankind.
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I CANT STOP ARGUING THIS POINT!
I'm on my day off so I have not art to play with so i'm bored...
Not even any fucking colour in to do!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:05,
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yeah well some of us are trying to put a pitch together so i
can fuck off to the countryside and see my dog.
AND YOUR MAKING ME ALL ANGRY.
(looks at bills he has to pay by monday...throws them in the bin and instead creates just for the ART of it)
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ill take that as
"i've lost the argument...well done sir"
thanks x
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this makes me really happy.
its like the best pat on the back ever.
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Your argument is as valid as that of a prostitute who says
she has no other alternative other than to be a $500 a night call girl.
Well yes there is an alternative... live within your means and get a proper job. Tough.
Wanna make money from fannying about doing something everyone else wants to do? Great. Just don't expect everyone else to tie one hand behind their backs just so what you do makes any kind of financial sense.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:12,
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So you are saying working in the creative industries is not a "proper job" then?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:17,
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I'm saying it's over valued.
Anybody with a computer has the technology to make music, design, animate, create games, edit video. This has the effect of devaluing it.
If you're talented enough to make it to the top and earn a healthy salary, great! But for everyone else, STFU and get a
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:24,
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I work part time in my local Co-op
Not my dream job by a long shot, but it means I have 4 days off a week to do the things I love.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:29,
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Anyone with a WHSmith scalpel has the means to be a surgeon.
I don't suggest you try it.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:30,
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Most flimsy analogy ever.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:35,
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Orher than mine which actually happens... beautiful women realising they can make a small fortune by selling their bodies for sex rather than just working as secretaries
As opposed to suggesting something that has NEVER happened... that anybody can buy a scalpel from WH Smiths and suddenly become a surgeon.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:38,
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actually the guy that
"catch me if you can" was based on did exactly that...
so next?
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No you didn't.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:10,
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No...
He posed as a number of things - he never actually did them. and anyway, he posed as a supervisor in a hospital, not a surgeon.
"he agreed to act as resident supervisor of interns as a favor until the local hospital could find someone else to take the job. The position was not difficult for Abagnale because supervisors did no real medical work"
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:02,
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well then according the nation of ginger...
ive just proved my own point... so its a win win situation/
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I'm confused
mainly, I think, because you don't quite know what you're arguing any more!
Artist? Not an artist? Relevant? Who cares.
At the end of the day, will technology stop to take into account the financial preferences of a few deluded industries, rather than those industries embracing progress and making the best of what's to come?
No. No it wont.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:16,
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i live within my means...
i have a proper job in the creative industries.
your talking your username again.
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Well then... what are you moaning about
good for you.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:28,
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moaning at people like you
who think i should be rotting penniless for the art of it.
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I've never said such a thing... you're just inferring that through your rage tinted glasses.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:53,
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I'm not raging
I just don't understand you modern day Luddites.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:04,
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