Look how pissed he looks now
Bottle of scotch every evening I reckon
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He doesn't looked as pissed as Ken Clarke, who's definitely on a bottle of whisky a night.
I've had enough of experts anyway, like all those experts at the IMF and IFS who said there would be an IMMEDIATE recession were we to vote leave. Not when we actually left, but immediately after a leave vote. Also the experts said that all inward investment by foreign companies would immediately cease and the stock market would collapse. The opposite of that has happened.
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Clarke is a hardened drinker who's had years of boozing behind him
He's at the point where he cant function without it
Suspect Davis only got onto the hard stuff in the last few months. Shits the bed most nights
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That would certainly explain the years of gibberish he's been spouting.
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And in contrast
not one of the claimed benefits of brexit looks like it will happen. It does not look like they will happen in the future either, unlike the pessimistic economic forecasts on the remain side, which are still possible.
In fact, the more this government acts like this government does, the more likely they are.
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I prefer red to blue
when dealing with blood, politics, or passports.
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You're the only person I've ever heard talking about the blue passports.
You certainly go on about them. It's all bollocks of course. All passports worldwide conform with an international standard that has nothing to do with the EU. I suppose we will be able to change the colour though, but who gives a shit apart from you?
www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/travellers-stories/the-reason-why-passports-are-all-designed-the-same/news-story/449c7acb523fb1f1e54cd13481ac86c1
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I know what you're talking about.
I think I saw them once in a copy of the Innovations catalogue. I've never sèn one in real life. Do people brandish them at Passport Control? Where do you go on holiday?
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you can't
they can't read the biometric data through them so you have to take them out of their stupid covers.
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Cant he just use the ones made by the treasury before the vote?
www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu
Or were they all a bunch of scaremongering bollocks?
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Osbourne said the sky was going to fall on our heads.
And he continues to spread that message every day in the Standard.
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And so the remain campaign failed
As they could not offer anything positive about staying in and just resorted to threats if we did not obey. What happened to that emergency austerity 'max' budget Osbourne promised if we voted out?
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Indeed, if they had run a positive campaign it might have been different.
Instead they went round threatening anybody that even suggested leaving with doom and calling them racist.
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It's difficult to run a positive campaign,
when everyone is already enjoying the positive benefits without appreciating them. Every positive you have can only be explained in terms of how it will be subtracted from people who believe they don't care about it or need it. The only non-negative thing its possible to say is "things will remain as they are" which isn't the sort of thing that people with 1st-world problems want to hear.
When you're campaigning for the status quo you therefore HAVE nothing that sounds positive, and you're up against totally hypothetical positive claims which may be inflated to almost any extent, from the the side who have the additional advantage of their grass naturally appearing greener.
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Well up to a point.
Our leaving will not stop the ceaseless EU power grab at the expense of the member states' automony. Unless this ends and the EU backs down (highly unlikely) we are just the first to leave.
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And the part of mexico
that left the USA is doing SO much better than California, part of that which remained.
Oh, wait. That is complete bollocks, they just drifted into economic ruin because they were not part of the successful union of states...
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Very apposite comparison, there's a real equivalence there.
You must be one of those highly intelligent and educated remainers I keep hearing about,
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Solitudinem fecerunt, pacem appellant
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Oh hark at lord Bryon!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 6 Dec 2017, 18:40,
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fucking Tacitus you unruly pleb
Cunt was actually quoting some ancestor of bonnie prince bob bemoaning how the marvelous achievements of porridge land had been laid waste by backward looking autocratic roman empire. Michael Gove basically.
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But it must be true because he's really good at the maths
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOGMCRDOEB8
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The HYS comments display some amazing swivel eyed loonyness
To be fair to the Double D this really is something Cameron and Osborne should have at least started. Regardless of your Brexit view the incompetence on display with this lot is staggering.
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And yet
because almost 52 percent of the people voted to leave - corresponding to 37% of the electorate, and 27% of the population - despite not having the information, we're still supposed to accept the result as inviolable.
It's insane.
Leave remainers to one side for a moment: I don't understand why more Brexiteers aren't worried about this... unless winning was simply more important than what was won.
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".. unless winning was simply more important than what was won."
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Numbers!
Leave got 51.9% of a massive 72.2% turnout
In 2008 Obama got 52.9% out of a 58.2% turnout.
If you're questioning the democratic result of the poll then you're like the nutters in the states that spent years questioning Obama's right to govern.
And like I said before if you didn't vote then you didn't care.
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You ask why we are not more worried?
Well the morning after I was. I got what I wanted and was prepared to pay the cost of it. But I was expecting in part the financial apocalypse that was promised. Promised as soon as the vote happened not when we eventually leave.
That didn't happen. There's been some impact I grant you but nothing on the scale that was promised day after bloody day during the campaign. Almost 100% of the media went along with this line so there was escaping it.
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Oh I understood.
I voted because I knew understood I disliked the eu and wanted no part in being part of a future USE. I voted because I didn't like what they were doing in Greece.
I voted because I like my politicians within egg throwing distance.
I voted because eu expansionism has destabilised eastern Europe.
I voted because the eu put's punitive tariffs on poorer nations exports to the eu to help relatively wealthy european firms exploit their resources.
I voted for many reasons.
When you voted for remain, what was your understanding of what you were voting for? Come on Benny here is your platform.
Make the case for re-joining the eu here and now.
Sell it to us.
BRB Just going to make a coffee that was processed in the eu despite the beans being grown in Africa and the farms paid a pittance for it compared to the final product.
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1. Economic prosperity, specifically not sacrificing economic growth in the short to medium term for a very unlikely possible gain in the long-term
2. A better deal than the WTO default with the worlds biggest free trade zone
3. Protection for our borders (yep, that's a thing)
4. Having input into military policy and general policy for Europe
5. The ability to work in 20+ odd countries without hassle
6. Preferential travel within Europe
7. International Relevance
8. Farming subsidies
9. No problems for expats legally residing in Europe.
10. No problems with Northern Ireland (well past the usual ones)
11. The rich assholes with the vested interest in getting out of europe, before they crack down on tax havens, would be fucked (Farage, Duncan-Smith, Lawson the usual assholes).
12. It wouldn't matter so much that our cabinet (and shadow cabinet) are populated with the most dangerous incompetents since the 3 day week.
Your politicians were always within stones throw, it's people with your attitude that elected Farage, instead of someone that had their best interests at heart and would represent them with gravitas, within the EU parliament. Also if you throw a stone within the EU, which the UK is currently part of, you hit a bit of the EU.
Europe is pretty small and there is currently free movement for its citizens, so you could just go and talk to other politicians in other countries but I understand that's way beyond your tiny little mindset.
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Hey I can see you had your reasons and unlike Benny are able to articulate them
I'ld love to debate them but got jobs on.
But Farming subsidies seriously?
Yes I could fly to wherever the EU has it's head office at the moment going back and forth from Brussels to Strasbourg at the cost of €103 million.
Then find out my MEP doesn't hold surgeries so fly back, write a letter.
Wait to see if one of my actually 7 MEPS that claim to represent me will give me the honour of listening to me.
Fly back to wherever the EU is currently squatting. Have some twat in a suit nod politely whilst I talk.
And then fly back home having developed a carbon footprint the equivalent of 5 double decker buses and achieved nothing.
OR
I can walk 15 minutes and speak with my MP at his surgery (Except on Wednesday afternoons) with knowledge he'll be in trouble if some nutjob starts a local campaign.
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To be honest I just kind of lobbed in farming subsidies as there appear to be a few farmers who are suddenly realising their overproduction is no longer going to be rewarded :)
You're lucky to have an MP who actually does their surgeries, it's hit and miss depending on the MP.
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Never had a need so great I parly with a tory.
But if I did then its good to know I can.
Plus we have a healthy collection of grass roots activists that seem to be on top of things.
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oh god. I agree with dvan
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I'm sure I'll say something retarded in a moment
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You think you know better than the world's Nobel prize winners, something tells me you won't be swayed
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pffft!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8mduTEvnU0
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Erm
It's been proven the Russian were dicking about on Twitter and Facebook like nobody's business. Given that fact, how can the outcome of the referendum be considered valid?
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I must send him a thank you note for helping me realise my political aims!
Don't know how much has been proven in this case but I expect the famous Troll Factory is real.
Countries have fucked around in other nations elections since there's been elections.
Obama also tried to influence the outcome by saying "we'll be back of the queue."
The eu also tried by funding pro eu think tanks to scare voters into voting remain.
If you annuled every vote that some outside nation tried to steer it than you'll never have one.
Given that the younger voted remain and the older voted leave.
How much influence a meme on the twatter would have on voting choices?
You could also argue that what Putin would like is the divided nation we have now with people putting down democracy. He'll love that he would.
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"You could also argue that what Putin would like is the divided nation we have now with people putting down democracy"
No shit Sherlock, you've fallen straight into the very obvious "divide and conquer" hole and as with the other brexitholes you keep digging as stubbornly keeping face is more important to you than doing what's best for the country.
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Talk to be about being stubborn and digging in.
You who are refusing to accept the result of a referendum and numerous votes in parliament and the manifestos of the 2 parties that got 82.4% at the last election. Neither of them supporting going back on brexit.
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I completely accept that there was an opinion poll and that the two main parties have been falling over themselves to try and gain what they perceive as popular ground as a result, regardless of the non-existent details attached to said opinion poll. There's fuck all in our constitution that says we have to do something stupid because there was an opinion poll.
That both sides have shown themselves as incapable of putting country before perceived votes is the reason I will never vote for either of them again.
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You missed the whole punishment budget thing then?
We were told all this would happen immediately after a vote to leave.
Not 2 plus years later when the leaving process has finished.
Rather than going over this again here's a link.
fullfact.org/economy/brexit-and-economic-apocalypse/
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That's from the beginning of the year. Since them our growth figures have dropped whilst those in the rest of the EU have risen:
https://www.ft.com/content/499115b6-ad90-11e7-beba-5521c713abf4
Now that's the IMF saying that a couple of months back and I'm sure they've got political interests here too, however here are a couple of choice and apposite quotes:
"“We forecast in the pre-referendum period, as did others, there would be long run negative effects on the British economy,” he said. “I think we’re starting to see those.”" - Prediction, take with the usual pinch of salt,
"Growth in most of the other advanced economies, with the notable exception of the UK, picked up in the first half of 2017 from its pace in the second half of 2016" - This is a fact. Our growth has been hit, unlike the other primary EU members
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differences when electing a politician
someone has to govern
there are many options
they are held to greater account by other politicians, branches of government, their party
but most importantly, the decision can be reversed 4 years later
Compare with almost evenly split binary vote on what could be the biggest upheaval in Western Europe in decades; and from such a simple 'yes/no' question so much has been extrapolated. "We definitely won't leave the single market." "Leave means leave everything." The Irish border. EU citizen rights. Freedom of movement. etc etc etc. At least politicians have manifestos they can be judged against.
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Started? If should have been completed and published before the referendum so people could make an informed decision.
I don't know if I'm looking into the past with rose tinted testicles, but when I was doing A-level economics and had to write coursework on whether or not we should join the Euro I recall all the broadsheets laying out fairly non-partisan, well considered for and against arguments.
I don't remember seeing much of anything on Brexit other than doom mongering from Remain and total shite from Leave and nothing of intellectual rigour from any media outlet.
tl;dr: I remember when all this was fields.
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Did you read this at the time?
www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu
I mean it's total partisan bollocks but it is the information that was given to the public before the vote.
How can you forecast when you don't know the terms on how you're going to leave?
The only thing you could forecast on is the only situation where you have enough information on what will happen. That is a hard brexit, walking away and using WTO rules.
And if that's not been done it bloody well should have because it's looking more and more likely.
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I skimmed through it.
I treat anything that comes from politicians with the utmost skepticism regardless of their party affiliation.
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What, even incompetence?
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well no, i take their incompetence pretty seriously.
If you want something fucking up, give it to a politician.
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"Feel my nose and put my glasses there"
Roars drunken Davis
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