Patrick Moore explains why he helped to create Greenpeace, and why he decided to leave it.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 8:49, Share, Reply)
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The Gamesmaster's gotten preachy hasn't he?
Enjoyed that, click
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 8:57, Share, Reply)
Enjoyed that, click
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Ha!
I pressed play and walked away, so just listening.
Having assumed from title it was indeed Sir PM, I took this to be a bot-read transcript, and wondered why they used the one from Bhutan.
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I pressed play and walked away, so just listening.
Having assumed from title it was indeed Sir PM, I took this to be a bot-read transcript, and wondered why they used the one from Bhutan.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:17, Share, Reply)
Patrick Moore? I'll assume the abridged answer was:
"because it's full of women and blacks"
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:18, Share, Reply)
"because it's full of women and blacks"
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:18, Share, Reply)
I used to work on Gamesmaster and can confirm he was a drunken misogynist and racist.
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Gah! Prager "University".
Also, note how, having said that to talk about ecology, you need to know some science, he then goes on to talk about moral duties without considering whether some philosophical training might help with that (around 3:10).
At 3:50, he opposes "science and logic" to "senseationalism, misinformation, and fear". But that's a false dichotomy. Science is neutral - it does nothing without an agenda - and the same applies to logic. Neither can dictate what ought to be done.
This is not meant as a blanket defence of Greenpeace: they're flat wrong on GM foods like golden rice, for example. But to say that the 2 million lives that could be saved don't matter to Greenpeace, and that their deaths aren't bad, is simply poisoning the well. All GP is saying is that this is not the way to save them. They may be wrong: but it makes more sense, and is much more dignified, to tackle them for what they do think than for what they don't.
In short, I call Troll on this.
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Also, note how, having said that to talk about ecology, you need to know some science, he then goes on to talk about moral duties without considering whether some philosophical training might help with that (around 3:10).
At 3:50, he opposes "science and logic" to "senseationalism, misinformation, and fear". But that's a false dichotomy. Science is neutral - it does nothing without an agenda - and the same applies to logic. Neither can dictate what ought to be done.
This is not meant as a blanket defence of Greenpeace: they're flat wrong on GM foods like golden rice, for example. But to say that the 2 million lives that could be saved don't matter to Greenpeace, and that their deaths aren't bad, is simply poisoning the well. All GP is saying is that this is not the way to save them. They may be wrong: but it makes more sense, and is much more dignified, to tackle them for what they do think than for what they don't.
In short, I call Troll on this.
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I called 'fuckwit' when he mentioned Vietnam as a reason for being radicalised
in an age when Communism was trying to impose itself on the world, and his reaction was to go about 'peace.'
That's when I stopped watching
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:53, Share, Reply)
in an age when Communism was trying to impose itself on the world, and his reaction was to go about 'peace.'
That's when I stopped watching
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:53, Share, Reply)
Ah, yes.
Because there's no way at all that the Vietnam war was the result of Europeans and Americans imposing themselves on the world, is there?
That simply doesn't happen.
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Because there's no way at all that the Vietnam war was the result of Europeans and Americans imposing themselves on the world, is there?
That simply doesn't happen.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:16, Share, Reply)
A nice assessment of history, blame it on 'imperialism'
Anyway, enough bollocks on b3ta for today
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:22, Share, Reply)
Anyway, enough bollocks on b3ta for today
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I agree.
Your assessment - that it was all the fault of a few marauding Reds - is much more nuanced. I realise that now. Well done you.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:26, Share, Reply)
Your assessment - that it was all the fault of a few marauding Reds - is much more nuanced. I realise that now. Well done you.
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Totally writing some slashfiction about you & Jahled's barely-repressed-homoerotic interactions on here.
It's pretty sexy stuff.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:54, Share, Reply)
It's pretty sexy stuff.
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I think conscription into a regional conflict on the other side of the world with a massive casualty rate in order to halt an ideology
Protests against which were violently squashed including the shooting of unarmed students by the national guard.
Is possibly going to cause a little radicalisation.
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Protests against which were violently squashed including the shooting of unarmed students by the national guard.
Is possibly going to cause a little radicalisation.
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Moreover, as Jahled has so eloquently confirmed,
there is no way that European imperialism and American intervention had any ideological component. None at all.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:28, Share, Reply)
there is no way that European imperialism and American intervention had any ideological component. None at all.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:28, Share, Reply)
It's not even the real Patrick Moore!
Thanks for highlighting bullshit.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:18, Share, Reply)
Thanks for highlighting bullshit.
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that's exactly what I thought
Patrick Moore... Greenpeace? What? Oh.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:50, Share, Reply)
Patrick Moore... Greenpeace? What? Oh.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:50, Share, Reply)
Or
You could have just pointed out that he banded out a 2M figure without source/reference, straight after claiming GP resorts to hyperbole.
Edit: yeah, I fucked that one up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaBt_bXlXmk
We know.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:35, Share, Reply)
You could have just pointed out that he banded out a 2M figure without source/reference, straight after claiming GP resorts to hyperbole.
Edit: yeah, I fucked that one up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaBt_bXlXmk
We know.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:35, Share, Reply)
The lack of reference is a problem;
but though the 2m figure seems high, it's not completely crazy. Like, not orders-of-magnitude crazy. Vitamin A deficiency does have a high morbidity and mortality rate (mainly among infants) - and so while it probably doesn't kill 2m directly, that it might be a contributory factor to that many deaths isn't really hyperbolic.
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but though the 2m figure seems high, it's not completely crazy. Like, not orders-of-magnitude crazy. Vitamin A deficiency does have a high morbidity and mortality rate (mainly among infants) - and so while it probably doesn't kill 2m directly, that it might be a contributory factor to that many deaths isn't really hyperbolic.
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Not saying that
The figure is irrelevant, ANY figure is irrelevant, unless you provide source, no?
It grates on me he admonishes the lack of "science" while doing the exact same thing. Would have thought he'd be up on that.
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The figure is irrelevant, ANY figure is irrelevant, unless you provide source, no?
It grates on me he admonishes the lack of "science" while doing the exact same thing. Would have thought he'd be up on that.
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It could easily be relevant.
However, a source (or some account of how the figure was derived) would make it more credible.
It'd be fallacious to think that a source is necessary for relevance, though.
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However, a source (or some account of how the figure was derived) would make it more credible.
It'd be fallacious to think that a source is necessary for relevance, though.
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Again I'm not saying that.
I wouldn't be surprised at that figure at all, and it didn't look odd. Perhaps it's my own issue, but surely if you were to call someone out on hyperbole, you'd at least back up your own figures from the outset.
Although this is the internet i 'spose.
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I wouldn't be surprised at that figure at all, and it didn't look odd. Perhaps it's my own issue, but surely if you were to call someone out on hyperbole, you'd at least back up your own figures from the outset.
Although this is the internet i 'spose.
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And it is Prager "University".
So, yeah. We shouldn't expect too much.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:08, Share, Reply)
So, yeah. We shouldn't expect too much.
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well if everyone cited sources during a speech they'll start to sound like a wiki artical.
However 30 seconds of digging backs up the statement....
"Golden Rice has the potential to prevent the death of 2 million of the worlds poorest children every year"
With a report from the WHO
"Improved vitamin A nutriture would be expected to prevent approximately
1-2 million deaths annually among children aged 1-4 years. "
whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/1992/Vol70-No2/bulletin_1992_70(2)_225-232.pdf
And apparently Vitamin A deficiency is also the leading cause of blindness in children.
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However 30 seconds of digging backs up the statement....
"Golden Rice has the potential to prevent the death of 2 million of the worlds poorest children every year"
With a report from the WHO
"Improved vitamin A nutriture would be expected to prevent approximately
1-2 million deaths annually among children aged 1-4 years. "
whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/1992/Vol70-No2/bulletin_1992_70(2)_225-232.pdf
And apparently Vitamin A deficiency is also the leading cause of blindness in children.
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Sperm is a good source of vitamin A.
So we should send Gary Glitter back to Southeast Asia and he could provide supplements to the deprived kids.
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So we should send Gary Glitter back to Southeast Asia and he could provide supplements to the deprived kids.
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"Cornish people eat pasties...
...because the crust keeps the evidence off their fingers"1
1/,UK census 2001.
Cool :-)
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:34, Share, Reply)
...because the crust keeps the evidence off their fingers"1
1/,UK census 2001.
Cool :-)
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I used to drink in a place here in Amsterdam that was near their head office and many of them used to drink in there.
I support some of the things they stand for but as people most of them were cunts!
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:08, Share, Reply)
The chlorine and golden rice comparison is misleading. makes golden rice seem like a no-brainer
I assume golden rice can only be bought from one supplier...
I am fairly skeptical about the prager university videos. They start off v reasonable then usually segue into something else.
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I assume golden rice can only be bought from one supplier...
I am fairly skeptical about the prager university videos. They start off v reasonable then usually segue into something else.
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:21, Share, Reply)
Although to beef hair...
...he does make some good points. Greenpeace comes from a good place, they actually DO shit as well as talking about it, but their reasoning gets pretty murky when emotions come into play.
It seems (to me at least and speaking very generally) that the greatest problem Green politics has is that it needs to accommodate so many contradictory (if well-meaning) ideologies - and they're not all thought out before they're implemented. There's some more stuff here.
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...he does make some good points. Greenpeace comes from a good place, they actually DO shit as well as talking about it, but their reasoning gets pretty murky when emotions come into play.
It seems (to me at least and speaking very generally) that the greatest problem Green politics has is that it needs to accommodate so many contradictory (if well-meaning) ideologies - and they're not all thought out before they're implemented. There's some more stuff here.
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banning chlorine?
that's beyond stupid and this never happened
( , Thu 30 Jul 2015, 14:38, Share, Reply)
that's beyond stupid and this never happened
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Indeed...
But Greenpeace was in favour of banning it, their (at the time) head of toxin research or something, Joe Thornton, wrote a book about it called Pandora's Poison. They said: "“There are no uses of chlorine which we regard as safe.” There was a big campaign from I think 1990ish onward.
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But Greenpeace was in favour of banning it, their (at the time) head of toxin research or something, Joe Thornton, wrote a book about it called Pandora's Poison. They said: "“There are no uses of chlorine which we regard as safe.” There was a big campaign from I think 1990ish onward.
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