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This is a link post Too soon?

(I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 1:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Futile either way.
Despite myself I still believe in the freedom of the press. The trouble is that self-regulation is an oxymoron.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hilarious.
Did he do one with "Qur'an" on the side of the van when Borough Market/Manchester/Westminster got done?
Nah.
Didn't think so.
The very idea would only occur to a complete and utter cunt like me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 3:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post The important thing to remember
Is that it's the right wing press that fuels anger against Islam. Definitely not the weekly massacres in the fucking streets.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Tue 20 Jun 2017, 6:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do you get branded Qur'an delivery vans like you do for newspapers?
Part of the joke is the use of a familiar vehicle, can't see it working as well with a made up design
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 7:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like the idea of cartoonists
only being allowed one joke per type of event, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 8:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post it doesn't work very well as it is
I know they have to crack these out daily but some of them are breathtakingly clunky.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post how is it not working?
I thought the concept was quite clear
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post too clear
The audience barely has to put in any effort at all.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's a satirical cartoon, not a mensa test

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's a satirical cartoon in a broadsheet newspaper
They should assume some degree of sophistication in their audience otherwise it just looks patronising. These are people who like to think they're working in Gilray's shadow remember
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't get Sun and Mail branded vans. I've never seen one.
And nor have you.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've seen loads - not with "Read Sun and Daily Mail" on them admittedly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=newspaper+delivery+van&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx4dKjoczUAhXGJFAKHaunAkkQ_AUICigB&
 (I helped save b3ta! buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post That image search didn't return any vans branded with either The Sun or The Mail.
Which kind of proves my point. What's your point?
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's a cartoon you imbecile
they are supposed to be absurd, ridiculous or even preposterous but with a hint of truth. That's how cartoons work - are you on the fucking spectrum or something?


 (I helped save b3ta! buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's interesting, it's one of those Madela effect things that you assume you see everywhere
I guess it's down to a mixture of what they used to have and promotional things

Do they deliver unbranded then to avoid things being thrown at them?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nah. You liked the cartooon because you hate The Sun and The Mail, thus you give it credence.
But the idea that those shitty rags are in any way responsible for Finsbury Park is a profoundly insidious lie. But people are desperate to exculpate Islam under any circumstances in order to defend the dream of harmonious multiculturalism. It seems so strange that people won't even tolerate the fact that there is at least one problematic dimension to that religion, yet it's always open season on other faiths. Maybe if there wasn't such widespread collusive denial, this Welsh clown wouldn't have been motivated to randomly mow down people.

They don't deliver themselves, they use distributors. The biggest is www.smithsnews.co.uk/
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't click like on the cartoon
I just commented that I'd seen newspaper delivery vans but not Qur'an ones.

So it was people being tolerant that is to blame, not wars, extremists or scaremongering? got it
also

 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you tolerate those who are intolerant of a liberal western democracy,
what happened in Westminster/Manchester/Borough will happen. Perhaps there should be a media blackout on such events, I find the coverage to be little more than 'scaremongering'.

Took you long enough. Doesn't look at all recent, and was probably some promo gimmick, since, as l have already said, they use distributors who deliver all the papers.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yep.
Used to be a firm called Mitchell Cotts. Controlled all of the newspaper vans .Only ones that were branded where the evening standard chevron vans.

/Sister was transport manager there for years.
 (I helped save b3ta! bane, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's always interesting how people react when confronted with something that they don't like but suspect is justified
your appeal for equivalency is one of the more common self-defence mechanisms that people employ
"the ref penalised us for handball but he didn't give one against arsenal when they did the same thing last time we played them"
"Hilary was let off for her emails, but now they're blaming Trump for obstructing justice"
In actually, the penalty was justified, Trump appears to have obstructed justice, and people are influenced by the relentless villification and generalisation of Muslims by the Sun and the Mail. Appeals for equivalency are attempts to effectively shift focus away from the unpalatable reality and recast their side or cause again as the victim
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:43, , Reply)
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"relentless villification and generalisation of Muslims by the Sun and the Mail" simply isn't true, it is at best a hysterical exaggeration. If your imaginary "relentless vilification" was true these papers would have been successfully prosecuted for inciting racial hatred many times. Still, I'm sure you're right. It's all the fault of The Sun and The Mail. They are the root cause of terrorism. I think that's the equivalency you're looking for, to avoid the reality you find so unpalatable.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post So when the press complaint commission forced the sun to apologise for their massive headline that 1 in 5 muslims in england support isis as "significantly misleading"
that was just a misunderstanding, was it? I mean, excuse me if I'm engaging in "hysterical exageration"
or when the Sun ran a headline saying that book encouraging children to be jihadis were being sold at london mosques was force to be withdrawn because it was " based on forged evidence", that was mistake any newspaper could make
I mean, I just picked these two example because you seem to be insistent that only upheld complaints would indicate that these paper vilify muslims, when to most independent observers it's painfully fucking obvious.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sauce please.
That is relevant to my interests. I still won't have any truck whatsoever with the idea that these shitty rags were in any way responsible for what that cunt did in Finsbury Park. Also I think the whole "some papers good, others papers bad" is a bit pointless, they are all pretty shitty in their own shitty ways.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post how tedious, I mean I suspect if you've somehow formed a view that these papers don't relentlessly stoke fears about muslims as some sort of Darth Vader-like menace despite living in the UK, then a few links won't sway you. but LMGTFY
www.pcc.org.uk/cases/adjudicated.html?article=NTAyMg==&type=
www.bbc.com/news/uk-35903066

here's the subtle sun headline

it's a pretty horrible thing to get wrong, don't you think? And a lot of people who probably didn't read the later retraction probably went away believing that there's whole bunch of muslims living in england that support murdering them.

But I couldn't say for sure if this bloke was influenced by the Sun and the Mail or he just had a bad falafel the night before and wanted vengeance. But I could say with certainity that many people are influenced by these rags, and not just the shaven-headed EDL types. They sell by stoking hatred and division and most of all fear. It might be by running lots of photos of Abu Hanza on the cover because he looks like captain hook, or saying muslims are going to outnumber us by 2050 at current birthrates so head for the hill, or something much more viscious. But that's their business model, fear sells
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I also guess it was a coincidence that the Sun and Mail printed multiple headlines about Abu Hanza and the Finsbury park mosque up until his arrest in 2004
But no reports in those papers after that the Mosque had shutdown in response, replaced its management, board of trustees and imans and reopened a year later promoting community inclusivity which was widely regarded as a success story. Their readers don't want to know about that.
It just happened to be that mosque that the van man chose
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah. There should have been a media blackout on that.
You know, for the greater good. I bet not a single other paper or news broadcast ever uttered a single word about Finsbury Park mosque. It's all the fault of the Sun and Mail. Case closed.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post you're right that they weren't the only ones
though the Sun in particular seemed to have a hard-on for their cover boy Hanza. He does look like a bond villian, I'll admit.
But at the risk of stereotyping the van man doesn't look the type to be reading The Times, put down his Pimms, and announce, "I say old bean, it's time I jolly well went down to that Mosque and give those chaps what for"
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I think we can establish that this guy was a violent, drunken moron. However if you don't think that violent drunken morons are susceptible to suggestion from what they view as a gospel of truth (because they are ignorant and right wing) then you're simply lying to make a point or you have your head in the sand.

If you read in the paper that you're under attack from all corners and you don't have the capacity to go and check with other sources, use your mental reasoning skills, or perhaps don't actually know any muslims, then it's likely that you'll come to believe that point of view after a while.

To use your incorrectly utilised phrase "case closed".
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Naivety is something you're often accusing others off
Yet you can't see that repeated scare and hate headlines might influence some people. Really?
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have a minority view that newspapers are not really very influential at all.
Last century maybe, but not anymore. They just reinforce pre existent prejudices. They don't mould society, they just reflect it. Their steadily falling circulation is evidence of this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post possibly, but that prick murdoch also has TV stations
still, you seemed to have shifted your ground somewhat from saying those papers aren't rabidly anti-muslim shit-stirrers to now just saying that they aren't very influential, so I guess that's progress of sorts.
I don't mind arguing with you, prufock. For one thing it helps sharpen my own arguments up that tend to become flabby and weak if people agree with me. If the topic comes up with someone else i'll know I'll be on point
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post
FOX
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post
1. They don't have falling reader numbers, just circulation. People use the web. Guardian has huge number of online lefty readers, the Daily Mail a similar but opposed audience.
2. They must still be very influential or you wouldn't sound like Richard Littlejohn having a paddy in every political discussions on b3ta ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Mail Online has a massive, growing readership.

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Although that would be slashed in half if people stopped posting mail links here

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 21 Jun 2017, 11:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you ever read the daily mail?
You have to admit it leans more to the'drum up anger amongst the right wing' than 'balanced reporting of facts' in general style.
To put it mildly.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post with you the chain of legitimate greivances always ends with 'the muslims' because they are 'irrational' and 'backward'
It's much easier to assume that there's something wrong with the way they think, the way all muslims think, than to to sit down and put some thought into their motivations. Try it now, assume they are rational actors, see where it takes you
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Go and read some Juvenal, Benny.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post They are irrational and backward
Just like the Ulster Unionists, the mormons and the rest of them.

Please read God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens, ISBN 1843545748
 (MC Chicken Sandwich Me gusta ver la pornografía de los milfs., Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sense of humour meltdown much?
As usual your argument uses false equivalence.

It's not the Qur'an at fault for islamic fundamentalism, it's their right wing idealogy perpetuatued by their media and aggressive promotion. Sure put "ISIS Media outlets" on the side of a van to counter this cartoon, but your equivalent would be someone putting the bible on the side of the van.

Hope that clears stuff up for you whilst you froth over your copy of the Daily Mail.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah. The Koran is all peace and love. Not a single hateful verse in it.
If we all lived by a literal interpretation of it, the world would be a wonderful place.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post And you've read the old testament too right?
Living by a literal interpretation of any religion is batshit mental. Their imaginary friend doesn't exist.

However to say one make believe mentalist book from thousands of years ago is worse than another, when Christians did exactly this random murder and attempted enforcing of their ideals on everyone they encountered (sure it started 500 years ago), is a joke.

It's also worth noting that ISIS don't even take a literal interpretation, they are using all kinds of works that are not even part of the Qur'an to justify anything they want.

Can we agree that all religion is dangerous?
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Image From Rochester

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 7:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nicely done

(I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 8:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brave depiction of the profit there

(roysin, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Everyone knows that the prophet is the bottom line

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pfft!
You said 'bottom'
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Goat is also interchangable with Profit

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post *stones*

(I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Oi steady on you could have someones eye out with that"

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Guardian's financial woes
are underlined in a clumsy attempt at blaming the competition.
 (roysin, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Peace be upon him
 (MC Chicken Sandwich Me gusta ver la pornografía de los milfs., Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Seems about right
Perhaps it's time to stop being insensitive and beating around the bush
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well it's too soon to know what his triggers were.
And because he's still alive there will be restrictions on what can reported to ensure a fair trial.

Still doesn't stop one newspaper putting the blame on rivals. For all we know this prick has never read a paper and was in his own little bubble with some far right groups.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Allegedly the bubble extended at least as far as one of his sons.
Something about wishing the hire company leased tanks and steam rollers.

edit: As Toast has pointed out it was the son of the hire company's owner, not the son of the man currently being held for the attack. Mea culpa.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Source?

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's the son of the hire company not the bloke that did the attack
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40347813
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good to see that a political cartoon
can still generate so much commentary!
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Wed 21 Jun 2017, 6:13, , Reply)