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This is a link post Well written on-tour with Milo take down Think Hunter Thompson on bubble tea and vegan biscuits.
Trigger warning: contains Laurie Penny.
I can't bear reading her normally, but she is smart and writes well - even if she is wrong about everything.
She's been embedded with milo and nazi trolls and wrote this excellent piece.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Laurie Penny?
I'm going to have to have several drinks before I read this. I've never seen any evidence of her being remotely smart in her copy.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post There's a difference between 'wrong' and 'stupid'
you of all people should know *that*.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I quite like her
even though she is wrong about everything.

And she enraged David Starkey into finger-wagging-in-the-face rage, so she can't be all bad.

[EDIT - she lost me at 'fascist' and 'hate speech'. Having watched quite a bit of Milo's tour, it seems to me that he can be a nasty piece of work - the doxxing, the mockery of individuals, etc. - but calling it hate speech, or him a fascist, makes me wonder whether she's watched any of his lectures. Unless she means 'fascist' in the same way that the broken-down old crusty couple called me a fascist in Trafalgar Square many years ago, when I said I didn't think it was such a bad idea to employ a falconer to keep down the numbers of pigeons.]
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hitler started by killing pigeons
So you're worse than a fascist.
But I think her point is more that he pretends he's defending free speech by saying outrageous things - but then it turns out he can't handle it if anyone calls him out. Note the bit where she explicitly says she isn;t calling him a fascist or white supremacist because he'll sue.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post She throws around the '-ists' very freely in the opening paras
Talking about his views. Sounds a bit cake having-and-eating.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post old newspaper trick.
'there is no suggestion that Mr Brown is responsible for a string of frauds which have left dozens of pensioners in penury'. IE there is *every* suggestion that this is so, but our learned friends have insisted we include this line and the article can be published if sign in blood an oath that every other single line is true - and we can prove it.
But I do think she's being more nuanced than that. He isn't a nazi - he's a troll monster wind-up merchant. But as she points out, the idiots that follow him like a baa-ing mob don;t get that. "real life consequences" is the key phrase.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post I quite like the brownshirts line.
That, at least, is an insightful way of looking at the gaming man-children who think Milo is an original thinker, and their [lack of] importance to the world of the grown-ups.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post correct.
we're all someone's useful idiot.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do I have to know what bubble tea is to appreciate this?

(I helped save b3ta! Marxist Pig Better Red Than Smeg, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, obs.
If you don't know what bubble tea is then an article about traveling around on a bus with a load of teenage alt-right trolls will have no meaning to you.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tell you what, I wont read something that will make me angry.
*turns off internet*
 (I helped save b3ta! Marxist Pig Better Red Than Smeg, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're doing the internet wrong.
You should post hundreds of abusive comments and then stalk the author. All the cool kids do it, grand dad.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh I see...
Then excuuuuse me you limp-dicked piss swiggging redneck commie turd-o-matic Piers Morgan-wannabe nazi fuck trumpet.

Cool, I think I could get the hang of these 'internets'
 (I helped save b3ta! Marxist Pig Better Red Than Smeg, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post This cock-womble
lives at 23 Railway Cuttings
East Cheam.
you know what to do, baying mob!
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post It Was a good read
Milo is a really peculiar case study of Uncle Tommery.
 (I helped save b3ta! maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I am genuinely surprised you thought this article was well written or had any merit.
The prose was adolescent in tone with feeble metaphors. The Peter Pan metaphor in particular was highly repetitive and laboured.

Typically for Penny opinion and generalisations were presented as fact. The piece also contradicted itself in places. The entire article is based on the false premise that the "alt right" is a coherent and cohesive movement. The term "alt right" is a clumsy umbrella term for any standpoint right of centre right politics. It is used to describe anything from neo Nazism and the KKK to Eurosceptics and readers of the Guido Fawkes blog.

She is highly sympathetic to the violence and mindless criminal damage of the Berkley riot, as well as the students' extremely illiberal no platforming, which is tantamount to the suppression of free speech. They'll be burning books next.

She criticises Milo's entourage for treating the tour as a "holiday lark, rather than a serious political project." Anyone who thinks that something called 'The Dangerous Faggot Tour' almost entirely staffed by teenagers exclusively touring campuses is a "serious political project" is profoundly stupid.

She goes on to say "play fascism is, in fact fully loaded and ready for murder." To justify this hysterical hyperbole she cites a Seattle shooting at a Milo event. Details on this are hazy, but it does sound extremely disturbing. However the Guardian reports that after handing himself in, the perpetrator was released without charge. This would seem to suggest that the offence was nowhere near as serious as it sounds. The police were quoted as saying that the individual poses no threat to the public.

She then says that the use of the terms Nazi and Fascist "might lose their impact" if misused or over employed. That ship sailed decades ago. Little Laurie is far too young to remember Vivian from The Young Ones.

Next she claims "since the inauguration the alt right has been in meltdown, splitting and splintering". Given that there has never been anything like a united form of the alt right this is simply an impossibility. The alt right is little more than The Peoples' Front of Judea et al.

She alleges that "the entire conservative sphere is comfortable" with Milo's and his travelling circus of teenagers. She cites no evidence of this as there is none. He is an embarrassment to the mainstream right with his shock jock extremism and provocations.

Nevertheless she continues by then saying that it is Conservatives that have brought Milo down. This is at best only half true and not fair on the Left; he has been shot down by all sides.

As she meanders to her conclusion, she suggests his entourage are dangerous men because they are emotionally immature and influential. Of course the Berkley riot that she was so sympathetic to was truly an excellent expression of emotional maturity. How she figures these kids have any power or influence is well beyond my ken, they are just a tiny puerile fringe. She knows this in her heart, which is why she refers to them as "boys" time and time again throughout the article.

TL;DR Laurie Penny is such a moron she actually takes the obnoxious clown Milo Yianpolous and his fanboys seriously.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post That "tiny and puerile fringe"
Is currently the chief strategist to Donald Trump. I think it is fair to say the alt-right have influence where it counts. It's precisely by ignoring idiots and fringe views that they've been able to get so much support.
 (I helped save b3ta! maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nah mate.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post How nah?
Alex Jones' schtick is also just "shock jock extremism and provocations", but that recent Jon Ronson book suggests Trump takes him seriously.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 23:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's journalism, not the fucking bible
Point by point rebuttal:
1.The article was well-written.
2. The generalisations are founded well enough on fact. Check one or two of the more forensic articles knocking around.
3. I see no suggestion at all that alt-right is a cohesive movement. quite the reverse, Milo is a man on the make- those on the bus are groupies following him in the hopes of making contacts and learning the tricks of the new media trade. The new media trade where clicks=money. The more they hate you, the more you make. There are many other alt-rights but in general it's pretty obvious - anyone you would leave the pub to avoid.
4. She isn't sympathetic to the violence.
5. She doesn't criticise them for treating it as a lark. She criticises them for being privileged, immature, butt-hurt fuck-wits.
6.If you fan the fires of emotionally and intellectually unintelligent loners, you *know* you are loading the gun for violence. Think Jo Cox.
Milo was invited to de-evolutionary think-fest CPaC.
7. well yeah it is the conservatives that brought Milo down. He's been resigned from breitbart.dis-invited to the CPaC thing.
8.They are dangerous. At least as dangerous as the idiot no platform mob.
TL:DR People do take Milo seriously. Stupid people, I agree. But the really dangerous mix in the world is stupid *and* evil. I'm not too worried about either group as long as they stay on their side of the Venn diagram. But fuck me, the intersection is a cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post
1. Subjective; agree to disagree.
2. No they aren't.
3. If it's not cohesive how can it meltdown, split and splinter?
4. Yes she is. She endorses the protest and in no way condemns the violence and criminal damage.
5. Yes she does.
6. Jo Cox was shot by someone with a very long and well documented history of mental illness. Blaming Brexit campaigners is profound intellectual dishonesty. Do you blame the Beatles for the Manson Family too?
7. Who dug up a very old video interview and spread it on social media? The Left has LONG been extremely vocal in their criticism of Milo.
8. Maybe. But the no platform mob massively outnumber the Milo fanboys. Where are the demos in support of Milo? There are none.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, I do blame the Beatles for the Manson family. And so should you. Especiually Yoko.
Otherwise, good points well made.
But I do think things can split, splinter and meltdown without ever having really been cohesive. That's the new media age, maaan.
I have no idea who dug up a number of videos. IDGAF. The left are his real fans. The left is who he really monetises.
I hate no platform. I hated them in the 80s when they prevented government fucking ministers from addressing university audiences. I hate them more now. We should put them in camps.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Manson Family bit was a silly gag.
What I would say is that Leave has been fatuously blamed for the despicable murder of Jo Cox. However, when Muslims commit much worse atrocities explicitly in the name of their religion the widespread reaction is A) This has nothing to do with Islam, and B) The perpetrators are just mentally ill lunatics.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post lunatics don't operate in a vacuum
The guy who murdered Jo Cox had been mad and extremist for a loong time.
They sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. Hosea 8:7.
And we do have an entire programme called 'Prevent' and another called 'Channel' to divert Muslim extremism. It is probably as much use as Tidewatch was in the 80s.
I more a Luke 14.23 man myself.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 22:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post John 11:35
Sow not sew you dozy cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 22:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post doh!
well played.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 22:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Numbers 22.23

(I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 23:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Qur'an 9:29

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Feb 2017, 0:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Of course he doesn'tliterally mean cheesemakers
He means all manufacturers of dairy products.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 24 Feb 2017, 1:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Vyvyan

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 23 Feb 2017, 23:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, I knew I'd spelt it wrong.
I originally put Neil, then I realised it wasn't him who kept calling people fascists. So I changed it to Vivian (sic). But that is wrong too. It was Rik Mayall's character who mainly called everyone a fascist. I couldn't remember his name though. Strange really, given that it's Rick. But in fairness, I couldn't bring myself to read any Laurie Penny til I'd polished off a bottle of Sancerre.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Feb 2017, 0:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha alt-right (twats) playing at being "a bit nazi" are picketed by lefty protesters (twats) with a hammer and sickle flag.
It isn't too far away from how UKIP were handled in the UK. The political class are totally outmanoeuvred so resort to smear. If you keep giving guys like this a platform and putting up lightweights against him or worse calling him names and screaming is it any wonder he got so popular.
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