happy friday!
just a happy song to see you on your way to the weekend :D
please ignore the 'tard that can't even lip sync to a cuckoo
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just a happy song to see you on your way to the weekend :D
please ignore the 'tard that can't even lip sync to a cuckoo
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Love this. I remember seeing a loop of it on FB with the title, "I'm high like..."
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OMG they did a comeback video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxlsPrPF_lk
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxlsPrPF_lk
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Well that's much less ridiculous
Full marks to Pascal for missing his last 'cuckoo' cue again. Consistency is key in this industry.
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Full marks to Pascal for missing his last 'cuckoo' cue again. Consistency is key in this industry.
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die quo!
edit - wait no that looks like i want teh quo to die
edit edit - oops forgot rick died, this is ruining fun happy friday day :(
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edit - wait no that looks like i want teh quo to die
edit edit - oops forgot rick died, this is ruining fun happy friday day :(
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Ll Kim apparently has some new toys to play with...
I find this more worrying than the nuclear threat to be honest.
Because of the lack of action when Assad first used chemical weapons Kim may feel that he can get away with using this stuff.
At least with nuclear weapons he knows he'll get absolutely pasted if he comes close to using one in anger. Not even China would back him up.
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I find this more worrying than the nuclear threat to be honest.
Because of the lack of action when Assad first used chemical weapons Kim may feel that he can get away with using this stuff.
At least with nuclear weapons he knows he'll get absolutely pasted if he comes close to using one in anger. Not even China would back him up.
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The North Korean nuclear threat is comparable to someone threatening to beat someone else up online.
Lots of posturing, with no real substance. Even if they've successfully enriched enough uranium to construct a payload, they still have to figure out the delivery system. It's actual rocket science.
Nerve gas on the other hand is comparably simple to make in a relatively well equipped laboratory, and much, much easier to conceal. That being said, my money is on South Korea being the first nation to suffer any large-scale attack - after which, the shit will drop on NK like a ton of potatoes. Especially since recently they seem to be pretty intent on pissing off China, their only ally.
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Lots of posturing, with no real substance. Even if they've successfully enriched enough uranium to construct a payload, they still have to figure out the delivery system. It's actual rocket science.
Nerve gas on the other hand is comparably simple to make in a relatively well equipped laboratory, and much, much easier to conceal. That being said, my money is on South Korea being the first nation to suffer any large-scale attack - after which, the shit will drop on NK like a ton of potatoes. Especially since recently they seem to be pretty intent on pissing off China, their only ally.
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Since Seoul is within artillery range on the north they probably feel quite worried about both threats.
The greatest hope is that someone in the military betrays him and offs the little nutter.
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The greatest hope is that someone in the military betrays him and offs the little nutter.
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The only good thing to come out of South Korea was my portable telephone.
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I'm liking the Samsung S7 edge.
With the bonus of not being too 'sploady.
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With the bonus of not being too 'sploady.
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Me too!
In particular, I like that it's supplied with a battery, unlike the S6.
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In particular, I like that it's supplied with a battery, unlike the S6.
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I think you have unforgivably overlooked Psy of Gangnam Style fame.
And what about Ban-Ki Moon? Truly a global statesman who did so much to make the world a better place. All those UN condemnations, issued under his auspices, of naughty countries around the world that have such a profound effect on achieving world peace.
But my favourite South Korean ever is the former Manchester United striker Park Ji-Sung. Altogether now:
Park, Park, wherever you may be
You eat dogs in your home country
Could be worse, you could be Scouse
Eating rats in your council house.
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And what about Ban-Ki Moon? Truly a global statesman who did so much to make the world a better place. All those UN condemnations, issued under his auspices, of naughty countries around the world that have such a profound effect on achieving world peace.
But my favourite South Korean ever is the former Manchester United striker Park Ji-Sung. Altogether now:
Park, Park, wherever you may be
You eat dogs in your home country
Could be worse, you could be Scouse
Eating rats in your council house.
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The delivery system doesn't have to be actual rocket science. You could put it in a shipping container and courier it to the target.
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While you were out...
Your item is waiting for you at your local delivery office.
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Your item is waiting for you at your local delivery office.
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Does NK do much in the way of commerce with their adversaries?
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So route it via China. Come on, this isn't rocket science.
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They could just float it into any port in the world on a medium-sized boat.
If you're using your nukes as a first-strike weapon then missiles are a shite way to do that, as you know where it came from.
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If you're using your nukes as a first-strike weapon then missiles are a shite way to do that, as you know where it came from.
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According to a quick google they export most to China but do export some goods to the south, EU and India.
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I don't agree with you the Syrian government used chemical weapons
That entire conflict has been engineered by the Sunni gulf states top topple the regime, undoubtedly with western help. I have read valid arguments the attack was by one of the rebel groups, most of whom are wahhabist nutters
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That entire conflict has been engineered by the Sunni gulf states top topple the regime, undoubtedly with western help. I have read valid arguments the attack was by one of the rebel groups, most of whom are wahhabist nutters
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Noted you don't agree and think the year long UN investigation into 2 of the chemical weapons attacks is wrong.
We'll just have to disagree on that but I do believe the wahhabist nutters have used mustard gas.
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We'll just have to disagree on that but I do believe the wahhabist nutters have used mustard gas.
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That was one of saint Barrack of Obama's greatest foreign policy successes.
He explicitly stated that if Assad used chemical weapons a "red line" would have been crossed and the US would intervene to effect regime change. Assad proceeded to then use chemical weapons according to the UN, Red Cross et al. What did Obama do? Fuck all. Seeing that Obama was a cowardly limp dick who talked a good game but didn't deliver (cf Guantanamo) Putin realised he had free reign to do what he wants in the region.
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He explicitly stated that if Assad used chemical weapons a "red line" would have been crossed and the US would intervene to effect regime change. Assad proceeded to then use chemical weapons according to the UN, Red Cross et al. What did Obama do? Fuck all. Seeing that Obama was a cowardly limp dick who talked a good game but didn't deliver (cf Guantanamo) Putin realised he had free reign to do what he wants in the region.
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Well, yeah, but, um, I mean, er, a dog turd would be better than the present incumbent.
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Actually true...
The USA would probably function more or less fine for 4 years without anyone being president.
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The USA would probably function more or less fine for 4 years without anyone being president.
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They did ok for eight years while Obama achieved little other than improve his golf handicap.
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Cem Karaca-Namus Belası-Düştüm Mapus Damlarına
Muhtar Cem Karaca (5 April 1945 – 8 February 2004) was a prominent Turkish rock musician and one of the most important figures in the Anatolian rock ... aka Now That's what I Call B3ta Hits 2017!
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Muhtar Cem Karaca (5 April 1945 – 8 February 2004) was a prominent Turkish rock musician and one of the most important figures in the Anatolian rock ... aka Now That's what I Call B3ta Hits 2017!
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Imaginative use of a nuclear bunker.
I'm surprised it wasn't kept locked.
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I'm surprised it wasn't kept locked.
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Unless they were running their own generator it was inevitable they'll get busted.
Power companies have to report unusual spikes in energy use and the day night grow cycle has an obvious signature.
Not that I know anything about this sort of thing....
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Power companies have to report unusual spikes in energy use and the day night grow cycle has an obvious signature.
Not that I know anything about this sort of thing....
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You're running an illegal podarcis muralis farm too?
That's it i'm oot, underground lizard markets suddenly gotten too crowded.
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That's it i'm oot, underground lizard markets suddenly gotten too crowded.
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Building a kit guitar at the moment
So I've been watching a lot of vids about finishing technique.
This came up. Sweet instrument.
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So I've been watching a lot of vids about finishing technique.
This came up. Sweet instrument.
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I've known a few people who built kit guitars. Great components, hard to keep in tune.
Maybe that's in one of the videos...
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Maybe that's in one of the videos...
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It's easy to build one
It's not easy to build one well. Components tend to be gash - horrid plastic nut, crap machine heads etc.
The really hard bits are doing a good finish if you aren't an experienced spray painter and doing a really good set up. A well set-up guitar with decent machine heads and a reasonable bridge will stay in tune. I've done one before and it played well with a little help on set up from a semi-pro guitarist mate. The finish was shiiite.
THe world of guitars is as full of voodoo bollocks as hifi.
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It's not easy to build one well. Components tend to be gash - horrid plastic nut, crap machine heads etc.
The really hard bits are doing a good finish if you aren't an experienced spray painter and doing a really good set up. A well set-up guitar with decent machine heads and a reasonable bridge will stay in tune. I've done one before and it played well with a little help on set up from a semi-pro guitarist mate. The finish was shiiite.
THe world of guitars is as full of voodoo bollocks as hifi.
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Maybe they get wet subpar neckwood in kit guitars?
Just a wild thought.
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Just a wild thought.
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I'd be worried about it getting dinged up
which it inevitable will if you plan on using it.
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which it inevitable will if you plan on using it.
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^ this
I've played guitar and bass in various guises for nearly 20 years, and not once have I been remotely tempted to splash out on something that is either a) expensive or b) lovingly-crafted. Not that I don't appreciate the effort or craftsmanship, but I somewhat disagree with the fetishisation aspect.
I see them as tools, nothing more, and they ARE going to bet bashed up if they're used more than once a year. My current workhorse bass (proudly a Squire btw, may as well be a Fender, just without the prestige pricing) is 12 years old, has been rewired a couple of times, and is chipped, scraped and gaffer-taped to fuck. It may not be pretty but it gets the job done, and I have no intention of replacing it anytime soon, even with another £200 Squire job.
And lastly, this is my own personal aesthetic sense I realise, but seeing bands playing instruments like that just looks cooler than pristine works of art, to me.
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I've played guitar and bass in various guises for nearly 20 years, and not once have I been remotely tempted to splash out on something that is either a) expensive or b) lovingly-crafted. Not that I don't appreciate the effort or craftsmanship, but I somewhat disagree with the fetishisation aspect.
I see them as tools, nothing more, and they ARE going to bet bashed up if they're used more than once a year. My current workhorse bass (proudly a Squire btw, may as well be a Fender, just without the prestige pricing) is 12 years old, has been rewired a couple of times, and is chipped, scraped and gaffer-taped to fuck. It may not be pretty but it gets the job done, and I have no intention of replacing it anytime soon, even with another £200 Squire job.
And lastly, this is my own personal aesthetic sense I realise, but seeing bands playing instruments like that just looks cooler than pristine works of art, to me.
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I bought a new guitar and within 20 mins of it's first gig I'd dropped it on a stand and tore a chunk out of the front.
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Did you pour lighter fluid over it?
And set it on fire just before drowning in your vomit?
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And set it on fire just before drowning in your vomit?
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Lol, war wounds
At one gig years ago, I tripped and fell sideways into the drumkit, denting the body and bending a machine head in the process. It's still like that..
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At one gig years ago, I tripped and fell sideways into the drumkit, denting the body and bending a machine head in the process. It's still like that..
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Fantastic futuristic illustrations!
Has been posted before (ages ago) but there are new works in the gallery.
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Has been posted before (ages ago) but there are new works in the gallery.
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Love this guy.
They should make a film based on his stuff. All quiet and moody like Under the Skin or something like that.
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They should make a film based on his stuff. All quiet and moody like Under the Skin or something like that.
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Nice.
I remember these, but great to see them again. Some really remind me of Eric Joyner with their giant objects. ericjoyner.com/galleries/
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I remember these, but great to see them again. Some really remind me of Eric Joyner with their giant objects. ericjoyner.com/galleries/
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This illustrator is somewhat similar (on a smaller scale)
and also very good./
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and also very good./
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long hours of study and practice
figuring out perspective, telling a story with a painting, texture. atmospheric haze, industrial design, architecture, automotive history, etc. the small shit.
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figuring out perspective, telling a story with a painting, texture. atmospheric haze, industrial design, architecture, automotive history, etc. the small shit.
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Drone captures amazing footage of Lake Berryessa Splashing Over the Spillway
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Needs more water and more AC/DC.
Yesterday's spillway video had both.
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Yesterday's spillway video had both.
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terrible song combo to a vid
of what is multiple anlge shots of a hole.
Very uninspiring
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of what is multiple anlge shots of a hole.
Very uninspiring
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80 Songs You Probably Didn't Know Were Cover Versions (and Their Originals)
Some good ones. Some bad ones.
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Some good ones. Some bad ones.
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Hands up if you honestly thought Geri Halliwell was responsible for It's Raining Men.
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I started listening to pop radio around 1958 - yes, I'm old.
Even was a non-commercial radio DJ for about 25 years. I was surprised by the number of cover versions I have not heard in this mix - I just remember the originals or different covers.
Nicely done, though.
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Even was a non-commercial radio DJ for about 25 years. I was surprised by the number of cover versions I have not heard in this mix - I just remember the originals or different covers.
Nicely done, though.
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Didn't we call radios 'the wireless' back then?
'Daaaad ... Do you want the Light Programme on on the wireless?'
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'Daaaad ... Do you want the Light Programme on on the wireless?'
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I actually listened a lot on a crystal radio
- a kit I built myself, until the good stations in my area moved to FM.
( more here )
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- a kit I built myself, until the good stations in my area moved to FM.
( more here )
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It's not like I've never heard of those. I just never have seen one...
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All along the Watchtower is the only one I prefer to the original. Saying that I do like Cash's version of Hurt.
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The 4 rules of cover versions
Any cover of a Dylan song is better than the original.
Even Trent Reznor admits that Cash owns Hurt now.
???
Profit!
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Any cover of a Dylan song is better than the original.
Even Trent Reznor admits that Cash owns Hurt now.
???
Profit!
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Fair cop, although at least Lulu's version features actual tambourines
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Shout-out to all the pub quizzers out there.
(although to be fair some of them did make me go "Ooh, I didn't know that")
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(although to be fair some of them did make me go "Ooh, I didn't know that")
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All
The covers were by talentless hacks (I'm looking at you Beyoncé), and most destroyed their original's unique qualities, and I respect the original artists even less for allowing the musical pollution. I used to love that Talk Talk song, until that diet punk, shit for brains skwarked all over it and it was played in EVERY, SINGLE, SHOP, and supermarket for three long years.
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The covers were by talentless hacks (I'm looking at you Beyoncé), and most destroyed their original's unique qualities, and I respect the original artists even less for allowing the musical pollution. I used to love that Talk Talk song, until that diet punk, shit for brains skwarked all over it and it was played in EVERY, SINGLE, SHOP, and supermarket for three long years.
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Just makes me sad how many of the good ones in that video are dead
And how many of the talentless ones are still alive.
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And how many of the talentless ones are still alive.
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didn't know about the remakes half the time
But the one that got me , was nirvana cos on the track he intros it as a david Bowie song..
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But the one that got me , was nirvana cos on the track he intros it as a david Bowie song..
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This fell into two distinct categories for me
I either knew that they were covers and new the original/know of an original... or I didn't give a shit.
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I either knew that they were covers and new the original/know of an original... or I didn't give a shit.
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I have never seen us in the same room...
unless you were at the December 2005 bash, in which case your theory either holds water or it doesn't.
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unless you were at the December 2005 bash, in which case your theory either holds water or it doesn't.
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Although Ednaswap wrote Torn and recorded it in 1995 for their debut album
It was first released in 1993 by Danish signer Lis Sorensen as Brændt ("Burnt"), with lyrics translated by Elisabeth Gjerluff Nielsen.
For all you pub quiz aficionados.
Added:
Also, Nothing Compares 2 U was never released as a single by Prince/The Family, it was only an album track.
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It was first released in 1993 by Danish signer Lis Sorensen as Brændt ("Burnt"), with lyrics translated by Elisabeth Gjerluff Nielsen.
For all you pub quiz aficionados.
Added:
Also, Nothing Compares 2 U was never released as a single by Prince/The Family, it was only an album track.
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And Neil Diamon wrote I`m a believer
Although he didn`t release it either
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Although he didn`t release it either
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Well written on-tour with Milo take down Think Hunter Thompson on bubble tea and vegan biscuits.
Trigger warning: contains Laurie Penny.
I can't bear reading her normally, but she is smart and writes well - even if she is wrong about everything.
She's been embedded with milo and nazi trolls and wrote this excellent piece.
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Trigger warning: contains Laurie Penny.
I can't bear reading her normally, but she is smart and writes well - even if she is wrong about everything.
She's been embedded with milo and nazi trolls and wrote this excellent piece.
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Laurie Penny?
I'm going to have to have several drinks before I read this. I've never seen any evidence of her being remotely smart in her copy.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:26, Share, Reply)
I'm going to have to have several drinks before I read this. I've never seen any evidence of her being remotely smart in her copy.
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There's a difference between 'wrong' and 'stupid'
you of all people should know *that*.
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you of all people should know *that*.
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I quite like her
even though she is wrong about everything.
And she enraged David Starkey into finger-wagging-in-the-face rage, so she can't be all bad.
[EDIT - she lost me at 'fascist' and 'hate speech'. Having watched quite a bit of Milo's tour, it seems to me that he can be a nasty piece of work - the doxxing, the mockery of individuals, etc. - but calling it hate speech, or him a fascist, makes me wonder whether she's watched any of his lectures. Unless she means 'fascist' in the same way that the broken-down old crusty couple called me a fascist in Trafalgar Square many years ago, when I said I didn't think it was such a bad idea to employ a falconer to keep down the numbers of pigeons.]
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even though she is wrong about everything.
And she enraged David Starkey into finger-wagging-in-the-face rage, so she can't be all bad.
[EDIT - she lost me at 'fascist' and 'hate speech'. Having watched quite a bit of Milo's tour, it seems to me that he can be a nasty piece of work - the doxxing, the mockery of individuals, etc. - but calling it hate speech, or him a fascist, makes me wonder whether she's watched any of his lectures. Unless she means 'fascist' in the same way that the broken-down old crusty couple called me a fascist in Trafalgar Square many years ago, when I said I didn't think it was such a bad idea to employ a falconer to keep down the numbers of pigeons.]
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:17, Share, Reply)
Hitler started by killing pigeons
So you're worse than a fascist.
But I think her point is more that he pretends he's defending free speech by saying outrageous things - but then it turns out he can't handle it if anyone calls him out. Note the bit where she explicitly says she isn;t calling him a fascist or white supremacist because he'll sue.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:44, Share, Reply)
So you're worse than a fascist.
But I think her point is more that he pretends he's defending free speech by saying outrageous things - but then it turns out he can't handle it if anyone calls him out. Note the bit where she explicitly says she isn;t calling him a fascist or white supremacist because he'll sue.
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She throws around the '-ists' very freely in the opening paras
Talking about his views. Sounds a bit cake having-and-eating.
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Talking about his views. Sounds a bit cake having-and-eating.
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old newspaper trick.
'there is no suggestion that Mr Brown is responsible for a string of frauds which have left dozens of pensioners in penury'. IE there is *every* suggestion that this is so, but our learned friends have insisted we include this line and the article can be published if sign in blood an oath that every other single line is true - and we can prove it.
But I do think she's being more nuanced than that. He isn't a nazi - he's a troll monster wind-up merchant. But as she points out, the idiots that follow him like a baa-ing mob don;t get that. "real life consequences" is the key phrase.
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'there is no suggestion that Mr Brown is responsible for a string of frauds which have left dozens of pensioners in penury'. IE there is *every* suggestion that this is so, but our learned friends have insisted we include this line and the article can be published if sign in blood an oath that every other single line is true - and we can prove it.
But I do think she's being more nuanced than that. He isn't a nazi - he's a troll monster wind-up merchant. But as she points out, the idiots that follow him like a baa-ing mob don;t get that. "real life consequences" is the key phrase.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:46, Share, Reply)
I quite like the brownshirts line.
That, at least, is an insightful way of looking at the gaming man-children who think Milo is an original thinker, and their [lack of] importance to the world of the grown-ups.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:48, Share, Reply)
That, at least, is an insightful way of looking at the gaming man-children who think Milo is an original thinker, and their [lack of] importance to the world of the grown-ups.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:48, Share, Reply)
Yes, obs.
If you don't know what bubble tea is then an article about traveling around on a bus with a load of teenage alt-right trolls will have no meaning to you.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:36, Share, Reply)
If you don't know what bubble tea is then an article about traveling around on a bus with a load of teenage alt-right trolls will have no meaning to you.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:36, Share, Reply)
Tell you what, I wont read something that will make me angry.
*turns off internet*
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:40, Share, Reply)
*turns off internet*
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:40, Share, Reply)
You're doing the internet wrong.
You should post hundreds of abusive comments and then stalk the author. All the cool kids do it, grand dad.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:49, Share, Reply)
You should post hundreds of abusive comments and then stalk the author. All the cool kids do it, grand dad.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:49, Share, Reply)
oh I see...
Then excuuuuse me you limp-dicked piss swiggging redneck commie turd-o-matic Piers Morgan-wannabe nazi fuck trumpet.
Cool, I think I could get the hang of these 'internets'
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:52, Share, Reply)
Then excuuuuse me you limp-dicked piss swiggging redneck commie turd-o-matic Piers Morgan-wannabe nazi fuck trumpet.
Cool, I think I could get the hang of these 'internets'
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 19:52, Share, Reply)
This cock-womble
lives at 23 Railway Cuttings
East Cheam.
you know what to do, baying mob!
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:42, Share, Reply)
lives at 23 Railway Cuttings
East Cheam.
you know what to do, baying mob!
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:42, Share, Reply)
It Was a good read
Milo is a really peculiar case study of Uncle Tommery.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:38, Share, Reply)
Milo is a really peculiar case study of Uncle Tommery.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:38, Share, Reply)
I am genuinely surprised you thought this article was well written or had any merit.
The prose was adolescent in tone with feeble metaphors. The Peter Pan metaphor in particular was highly repetitive and laboured.
Typically for Penny opinion and generalisations were presented as fact. The piece also contradicted itself in places. The entire article is based on the false premise that the "alt right" is a coherent and cohesive movement. The term "alt right" is a clumsy umbrella term for any standpoint right of centre right politics. It is used to describe anything from neo Nazism and the KKK to Eurosceptics and readers of the Guido Fawkes blog.
She is highly sympathetic to the violence and mindless criminal damage of the Berkley riot, as well as the students' extremely illiberal no platforming, which is tantamount to the suppression of free speech. They'll be burning books next.
She criticises Milo's entourage for treating the tour as a "holiday lark, rather than a serious political project." Anyone who thinks that something called 'The Dangerous Faggot Tour' almost entirely staffed by teenagers exclusively touring campuses is a "serious political project" is profoundly stupid.
She goes on to say "play fascism is, in fact fully loaded and ready for murder." To justify this hysterical hyperbole she cites a Seattle shooting at a Milo event. Details on this are hazy, but it does sound extremely disturbing. However the Guardian reports that after handing himself in, the perpetrator was released without charge. This would seem to suggest that the offence was nowhere near as serious as it sounds. The police were quoted as saying that the individual poses no threat to the public.
She then says that the use of the terms Nazi and Fascist "might lose their impact" if misused or over employed. That ship sailed decades ago. Little Laurie is far too young to remember Vivian from The Young Ones.
Next she claims "since the inauguration the alt right has been in meltdown, splitting and splintering". Given that there has never been anything like a united form of the alt right this is simply an impossibility. The alt right is little more than The Peoples' Front of Judea et al.
She alleges that "the entire conservative sphere is comfortable" with Milo's and his travelling circus of teenagers. She cites no evidence of this as there is none. He is an embarrassment to the mainstream right with his shock jock extremism and provocations.
Nevertheless she continues by then saying that it is Conservatives that have brought Milo down. This is at best only half true and not fair on the Left; he has been shot down by all sides.
As she meanders to her conclusion, she suggests his entourage are dangerous men because they are emotionally immature and influential. Of course the Berkley riot that she was so sympathetic to was truly an excellent expression of emotional maturity. How she figures these kids have any power or influence is well beyond my ken, they are just a tiny puerile fringe. She knows this in her heart, which is why she refers to them as "boys" time and time again throughout the article.
TL;DR Laurie Penny is such a moron she actually takes the obnoxious clown Milo Yianpolous and his fanboys seriously.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:56, Share, Reply)
The prose was adolescent in tone with feeble metaphors. The Peter Pan metaphor in particular was highly repetitive and laboured.
Typically for Penny opinion and generalisations were presented as fact. The piece also contradicted itself in places. The entire article is based on the false premise that the "alt right" is a coherent and cohesive movement. The term "alt right" is a clumsy umbrella term for any standpoint right of centre right politics. It is used to describe anything from neo Nazism and the KKK to Eurosceptics and readers of the Guido Fawkes blog.
She is highly sympathetic to the violence and mindless criminal damage of the Berkley riot, as well as the students' extremely illiberal no platforming, which is tantamount to the suppression of free speech. They'll be burning books next.
She criticises Milo's entourage for treating the tour as a "holiday lark, rather than a serious political project." Anyone who thinks that something called 'The Dangerous Faggot Tour' almost entirely staffed by teenagers exclusively touring campuses is a "serious political project" is profoundly stupid.
She goes on to say "play fascism is, in fact fully loaded and ready for murder." To justify this hysterical hyperbole she cites a Seattle shooting at a Milo event. Details on this are hazy, but it does sound extremely disturbing. However the Guardian reports that after handing himself in, the perpetrator was released without charge. This would seem to suggest that the offence was nowhere near as serious as it sounds. The police were quoted as saying that the individual poses no threat to the public.
She then says that the use of the terms Nazi and Fascist "might lose their impact" if misused or over employed. That ship sailed decades ago. Little Laurie is far too young to remember Vivian from The Young Ones.
Next she claims "since the inauguration the alt right has been in meltdown, splitting and splintering". Given that there has never been anything like a united form of the alt right this is simply an impossibility. The alt right is little more than The Peoples' Front of Judea et al.
She alleges that "the entire conservative sphere is comfortable" with Milo's and his travelling circus of teenagers. She cites no evidence of this as there is none. He is an embarrassment to the mainstream right with his shock jock extremism and provocations.
Nevertheless she continues by then saying that it is Conservatives that have brought Milo down. This is at best only half true and not fair on the Left; he has been shot down by all sides.
As she meanders to her conclusion, she suggests his entourage are dangerous men because they are emotionally immature and influential. Of course the Berkley riot that she was so sympathetic to was truly an excellent expression of emotional maturity. How she figures these kids have any power or influence is well beyond my ken, they are just a tiny puerile fringe. She knows this in her heart, which is why she refers to them as "boys" time and time again throughout the article.
TL;DR Laurie Penny is such a moron she actually takes the obnoxious clown Milo Yianpolous and his fanboys seriously.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:56, Share, Reply)
That "tiny and puerile fringe"
Is currently the chief strategist to Donald Trump. I think it is fair to say the alt-right have influence where it counts. It's precisely by ignoring idiots and fringe views that they've been able to get so much support.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:11, Share, Reply)
Is currently the chief strategist to Donald Trump. I think it is fair to say the alt-right have influence where it counts. It's precisely by ignoring idiots and fringe views that they've been able to get so much support.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:11, Share, Reply)
How nah?
Alex Jones' schtick is also just "shock jock extremism and provocations", but that recent Jon Ronson book suggests Trump takes him seriously.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 23:23, Share, Reply)
Alex Jones' schtick is also just "shock jock extremism and provocations", but that recent Jon Ronson book suggests Trump takes him seriously.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 23:23, Share, Reply)
It's journalism, not the fucking bible
Point by point rebuttal:
1.The article was well-written.
2. The generalisations are founded well enough on fact. Check one or two of the more forensic articles knocking around.
3. I see no suggestion at all that alt-right is a cohesive movement. quite the reverse, Milo is a man on the make- those on the bus are groupies following him in the hopes of making contacts and learning the tricks of the new media trade. The new media trade where clicks=money. The more they hate you, the more you make. There are many other alt-rights but in general it's pretty obvious - anyone you would leave the pub to avoid.
4. She isn't sympathetic to the violence.
5. She doesn't criticise them for treating it as a lark. She criticises them for being privileged, immature, butt-hurt fuck-wits.
6.If you fan the fires of emotionally and intellectually unintelligent loners, you *know* you are loading the gun for violence. Think Jo Cox.
Milo was invited to de-evolutionary think-fest CPaC.
7. well yeah it is the conservatives that brought Milo down. He's been resigned from breitbart.dis-invited to the CPaC thing.
8.They are dangerous. At least as dangerous as the idiot no platform mob.
TL:DR People do take Milo seriously. Stupid people, I agree. But the really dangerous mix in the world is stupid *and* evil. I'm not too worried about either group as long as they stay on their side of the Venn diagram. But fuck me, the intersection is a cunt.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:13, Share, Reply)
Point by point rebuttal:
1.The article was well-written.
2. The generalisations are founded well enough on fact. Check one or two of the more forensic articles knocking around.
3. I see no suggestion at all that alt-right is a cohesive movement. quite the reverse, Milo is a man on the make- those on the bus are groupies following him in the hopes of making contacts and learning the tricks of the new media trade. The new media trade where clicks=money. The more they hate you, the more you make. There are many other alt-rights but in general it's pretty obvious - anyone you would leave the pub to avoid.
4. She isn't sympathetic to the violence.
5. She doesn't criticise them for treating it as a lark. She criticises them for being privileged, immature, butt-hurt fuck-wits.
6.If you fan the fires of emotionally and intellectually unintelligent loners, you *know* you are loading the gun for violence. Think Jo Cox.
Milo was invited to de-evolutionary think-fest CPaC.
7. well yeah it is the conservatives that brought Milo down. He's been resigned from breitbart.dis-invited to the CPaC thing.
8.They are dangerous. At least as dangerous as the idiot no platform mob.
TL:DR People do take Milo seriously. Stupid people, I agree. But the really dangerous mix in the world is stupid *and* evil. I'm not too worried about either group as long as they stay on their side of the Venn diagram. But fuck me, the intersection is a cunt.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:13, Share, Reply)
1. Subjective; agree to disagree.
2. No they aren't.
3. If it's not cohesive how can it meltdown, split and splinter?
4. Yes she is. She endorses the protest and in no way condemns the violence and criminal damage.
5. Yes she does.
6. Jo Cox was shot by someone with a very long and well documented history of mental illness. Blaming Brexit campaigners is profound intellectual dishonesty. Do you blame the Beatles for the Manson Family too?
7. Who dug up a very old video interview and spread it on social media? The Left has LONG been extremely vocal in their criticism of Milo.
8. Maybe. But the no platform mob massively outnumber the Milo fanboys. Where are the demos in support of Milo? There are none.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:35, Share, Reply)
Yes, I do blame the Beatles for the Manson family. And so should you. Especiually Yoko.
Otherwise, good points well made.
But I do think things can split, splinter and meltdown without ever having really been cohesive. That's the new media age, maaan.
I have no idea who dug up a number of videos. IDGAF. The left are his real fans. The left is who he really monetises.
I hate no platform. I hated them in the 80s when they prevented government fucking ministers from addressing university audiences. I hate them more now. We should put them in camps.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:42, Share, Reply)
Otherwise, good points well made.
But I do think things can split, splinter and meltdown without ever having really been cohesive. That's the new media age, maaan.
I have no idea who dug up a number of videos. IDGAF. The left are his real fans. The left is who he really monetises.
I hate no platform. I hated them in the 80s when they prevented government fucking ministers from addressing university audiences. I hate them more now. We should put them in camps.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:42, Share, Reply)
The Manson Family bit was a silly gag.
What I would say is that Leave has been fatuously blamed for the despicable murder of Jo Cox. However, when Muslims commit much worse atrocities explicitly in the name of their religion the widespread reaction is A) This has nothing to do with Islam, and B) The perpetrators are just mentally ill lunatics.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:53, Share, Reply)
What I would say is that Leave has been fatuously blamed for the despicable murder of Jo Cox. However, when Muslims commit much worse atrocities explicitly in the name of their religion the widespread reaction is A) This has nothing to do with Islam, and B) The perpetrators are just mentally ill lunatics.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 21:53, Share, Reply)
lunatics don't operate in a vacuum
The guy who murdered Jo Cox had been mad and extremist for a loong time.
They sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. Hosea 8:7.
And we do have an entire programme called 'Prevent' and another called 'Channel' to divert Muslim extremism. It is probably as much use as Tidewatch was in the 80s.
I more a Luke 14.23 man myself.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 22:01, Share, Reply)
The guy who murdered Jo Cox had been mad and extremist for a loong time.
They sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. Hosea 8:7.
And we do have an entire programme called 'Prevent' and another called 'Channel' to divert Muslim extremism. It is probably as much use as Tidewatch was in the 80s.
I more a Luke 14.23 man myself.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 22:01, Share, Reply)
Of course he doesn'tliterally mean cheesemakers
He means all manufacturers of dairy products.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 1:30, Share, Reply)
He means all manufacturers of dairy products.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 1:30, Share, Reply)
Yeah, I knew I'd spelt it wrong.
I originally put Neil, then I realised it wasn't him who kept calling people fascists. So I changed it to Vivian (sic). But that is wrong too. It was Rik Mayall's character who mainly called everyone a fascist. I couldn't remember his name though. Strange really, given that it's Rick. But in fairness, I couldn't bring myself to read any Laurie Penny til I'd polished off a bottle of Sancerre.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 0:12, Share, Reply)
I originally put Neil, then I realised it wasn't him who kept calling people fascists. So I changed it to Vivian (sic). But that is wrong too. It was Rik Mayall's character who mainly called everyone a fascist. I couldn't remember his name though. Strange really, given that it's Rick. But in fairness, I couldn't bring myself to read any Laurie Penny til I'd polished off a bottle of Sancerre.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 0:12, Share, Reply)
Ha alt-right (twats) playing at being "a bit nazi" are picketed by lefty protesters (twats) with a hammer and sickle flag.
It isn't too far away from how UKIP were handled in the UK. The political class are totally outmanoeuvred so resort to smear. If you keep giving guys like this a platform and putting up lightweights against him or worse calling him names and screaming is it any wonder he got so popular.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 11:50, Share, Reply)
It isn't too far away from how UKIP were handled in the UK. The political class are totally outmanoeuvred so resort to smear. If you keep giving guys like this a platform and putting up lightweights against him or worse calling him names and screaming is it any wonder he got so popular.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 11:50, Share, Reply)
Do Not Mess With Danish Girls
Local news reporter gets a definitive answer to his question about whether it's safe for a young girl to be travelling alone, and how she might defend herself from unwanted harassment.
Full story dangerousminds.net/comments/badass_danish_girl_1969...wait_for_it
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:08, Share, Reply)
Local news reporter gets a definitive answer to his question about whether it's safe for a young girl to be travelling alone, and how she might defend herself from unwanted harassment.
Full story dangerousminds.net/comments/badass_danish_girl_1969...wait_for_it
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:08, Share, Reply)
Unprovoked violent assault...
... but the victim was a white man, so hahahahahahahahahahaha!
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 15:10, Share, Reply)
... but the victim was a white man, so hahahahahahahahahahaha!
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 15:10, Share, Reply)
The Revolution Has Begun
But they need to work on their timing if they want to overthrow mankind
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:11, Share, Reply)
But they need to work on their timing if they want to overthrow mankind
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:11, Share, Reply)
Those bastards
Are always perpetrating some new outrage. We cannot let them win.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:27, Share, Reply)
Are always perpetrating some new outrage. We cannot let them win.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:27, Share, Reply)
I know, but hopefully seeing Piers Morgan interviewing Farage will make people realise ITV are utter shit.
If ITV folds shortly after I think I can die a happy man.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:28, Share, Reply)
If ITV folds shortly after I think I can die a happy man.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:28, Share, Reply)
Uprising ...
Down rising ... Uprising ...Down rising ... Uprising ...Down rising ... Uprising ...
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:49, Share, Reply)
Down rising ... Uprising ...Down rising ... Uprising ...Down rising ... Uprising ...
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 20:49, Share, Reply)
What makes the world a less safe place
It promises to lift you up above everyone else time and again
Yet you invariably return to everyone else's level, feeling dizzy and sick
Sometimes it throws you off in seemingly random directions, but mainly to the right
It lures you into a false sense of security with a safety barrier
But eventually it'll hurt you or kill you
It's a trumpollini.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 5:38, Share, Reply)
It promises to lift you up above everyone else time and again
Yet you invariably return to everyone else's level, feeling dizzy and sick
Sometimes it throws you off in seemingly random directions, but mainly to the right
It lures you into a false sense of security with a safety barrier
But eventually it'll hurt you or kill you
It's a trumpollini.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 5:38, Share, Reply)
A firm, calm, slow paced, silly walk could have prevented that
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 16:53, Share, Reply)
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 16:53, Share, Reply)
haha very good :)
though i'm not sure it needed to be more than 3 seconds long
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:11, Share, Reply)
though i'm not sure it needed to be more than 3 seconds long
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:11, Share, Reply)
Keeping Up With The Kattarshians
CaC?
- Icelandic animal welfare/tv show ;o)
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:46, Share, Reply)
CaC?
- Icelandic animal welfare/tv show ;o)
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:46, Share, Reply)
Man becomes intimate with runaway tire
NSFW
Fractures to skull and chest, but he didn't dieded.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:15, Share, Reply)
Fractures to skull and chest, but he didn't dieded.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:15, Share, Reply)
Jesus
Fractures to his skull? I'm surprised he had one left with the force that that must have imparted.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:41, Share, Reply)
Fractures to his skull? I'm surprised he had one left with the force that that must have imparted.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:41, Share, Reply)
the tyre rolling away like "heads up! naaa! wasn't me mate hahaha lol!"
then that other guy goes and gets him to bring hm back and apologise and the wheel is all "yeah ok, sorry, he lookes tyred (lol)".
if only tyres had guns eh?
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 11:44, Share, Reply)
then that other guy goes and gets him to bring hm back and apologise and the wheel is all "yeah ok, sorry, he lookes tyred (lol)".
if only tyres had guns eh?
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 11:44, Share, Reply)
Has 4chan brought out B3ta then? When did this happen?
Only joking...tee hee he looks a little flat.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 12:00, Share, Reply)
Only joking...tee hee he looks a little flat.
( , Fri 24 Feb 2017, 12:00, Share, Reply)
Do Robots Deserve Rights? What if machines become conscious?
New Kurzgesagt
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:31, Share, Reply)
New Kurzgesagt
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:31, Share, Reply)
Hmmm.
Not bad, but it's rather simplistic about consciousness.
It's also rather simplistic about the relationship between being a rights-holder and sentience.
The idea that rights are created rather than discovered is likely to be contentious in at least some cases; not every rights-theorist is going to agree that all rights are created. (At best, the vid muddies the distinction between legal rights, which a decent state might confer, and moral rights, which a decent state would respect.) For that reason, talk about "deserving" rights is otiose. There are arguably some rights that one has irrespective of whether or not one deserves them. Indeed, the very idea that one might deserve something at all seems to ride on having a particular moral status.
The claim that claims about freedom is linked to the way our brains detect what is fair is mind-bendingly wrong, not least because "fair" is left undefined; but even without that, it's really not correct. Ditto the bit about preferring justice over injustice. By what standard are we measuring it, and what has preference got to do with anything?
The analogy between programming a robot to feel pain and evolution doing it is poor. (What would it mean to program sensibility anyway?)
The claim that our human identity is based on exceptionalism is vague. What does a human identity mean? If someone didn't think themselves exceptional, would they thereby be less human? (Hint: no.)
Descartes is mishandled - and one might look to Peter Carruthers for a more recent restatement of Cartesian thought on this stuff. It's wrong, but at least interestingly wrong.
The bit about slavery and the putative benefits to the slave is wrong, and relates back to the quasi-Benthamite conflation of rights and suffering. It's not hard to come up with an account of slavery in which the slaves are better off - scroll down this, for example - but they might still have been wronged. And it's not always the case that one is wronged by being made to suffer. Bluntly, much more work is needed here, because suffering and wrongs are not the same thing.
Noone sane thinks that looking after farm animals justifies killing them. It is required thereby; the justification for killing them, if there is one, comes from an appeal to our preferences. So that's arse-about-tit.
The vid is correct to say that the possibility of AI raises all kinds of questions about rights and duties. This is nothing new, though: they're questions that philosophers and jurisprudentialists have been trying to deal with for years.
(Disclaimer: I may have missed a few details here; I've been trying to type in real-time.)
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:08, Share, Reply)
Not bad, but it's rather simplistic about consciousness.
It's also rather simplistic about the relationship between being a rights-holder and sentience.
The idea that rights are created rather than discovered is likely to be contentious in at least some cases; not every rights-theorist is going to agree that all rights are created. (At best, the vid muddies the distinction between legal rights, which a decent state might confer, and moral rights, which a decent state would respect.) For that reason, talk about "deserving" rights is otiose. There are arguably some rights that one has irrespective of whether or not one deserves them. Indeed, the very idea that one might deserve something at all seems to ride on having a particular moral status.
The claim that claims about freedom is linked to the way our brains detect what is fair is mind-bendingly wrong, not least because "fair" is left undefined; but even without that, it's really not correct. Ditto the bit about preferring justice over injustice. By what standard are we measuring it, and what has preference got to do with anything?
The analogy between programming a robot to feel pain and evolution doing it is poor. (What would it mean to program sensibility anyway?)
The claim that our human identity is based on exceptionalism is vague. What does a human identity mean? If someone didn't think themselves exceptional, would they thereby be less human? (Hint: no.)
Descartes is mishandled - and one might look to Peter Carruthers for a more recent restatement of Cartesian thought on this stuff. It's wrong, but at least interestingly wrong.
The bit about slavery and the putative benefits to the slave is wrong, and relates back to the quasi-Benthamite conflation of rights and suffering. It's not hard to come up with an account of slavery in which the slaves are better off - scroll down this, for example - but they might still have been wronged. And it's not always the case that one is wronged by being made to suffer. Bluntly, much more work is needed here, because suffering and wrongs are not the same thing.
Noone sane thinks that looking after farm animals justifies killing them. It is required thereby; the justification for killing them, if there is one, comes from an appeal to our preferences. So that's arse-about-tit.
The vid is correct to say that the possibility of AI raises all kinds of questions about rights and duties. This is nothing new, though: they're questions that philosophers and jurisprudentialists have been trying to deal with for years.
(Disclaimer: I may have missed a few details here; I've been trying to type in real-time.)
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:08, Share, Reply)
I always find myself going back to that Asimov quote:
"There is no right to deny freedom to any object with a mind advanced enough to grasp the concept and desire the state."
That being said the next question that follows is whether or not it's ethical to engineer a mind that actually prefers to be treated in a manner that a human would call slavery.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:16, Share, Reply)
"There is no right to deny freedom to any object with a mind advanced enough to grasp the concept and desire the state."
That being said the next question that follows is whether or not it's ethical to engineer a mind that actually prefers to be treated in a manner that a human would call slavery.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:16, Share, Reply)
Dear people who think up pointless ethical conundrums
FUCK OFF.
Machines aren't conscious. They can mimic it. Poorly.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:27, Share, Reply)
FUCK OFF.
Machines aren't conscious. They can mimic it. Poorly.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:27, Share, Reply)
That's what they said about the Welsh!
And it's been almost entirely disproven!
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:34, Share, Reply)
And it's been almost entirely disproven!
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:34, Share, Reply)
I met one that, if I hadn't known, I'd have sworn I was communicating with. Uncanny.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 17:34, Share, Reply)
It's not pointless, though.
This is for at least two reasons.
First, there is a tolerable chance that we will, at some point, have machines that we have reason to believe possess self-awareness and/ or the ability to suffer. It makes sense to straighten out how the law would deal with such machines in advance of that, because to wait until they exist would require making laws on the hop. The go-to example here is provided by Dolly the sheep; when she was born, a lot of legislatures passed hastily-worded and not-all-that-sensible laws; had they not been caught out by events, they may have passed much more sensible laws.
Second, thought experiments like this may help us get our thinking straight about things that do currently exist. One of the things the vid nods towards, despite its flaws, is the treatment of nonhuman animals - and it may extend to very young, very old, or cognitively impaired humans. How should the law treat them, if they are not capable of sentience, a sense of self, or something like that? More radically, if we were to create human embryos that were genetically designed to have no higher brain function, so that we could use them for research/ stem cells/ whatever, would that wrong them? What would their moral and legal status be? Talking in terms of robots is not going to provide all the answers here; but it may help home in on the question of what, if anything, makes a certain entity important and therefore the kind of thing about which the law should concern itself.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:36, Share, Reply)
This is for at least two reasons.
First, there is a tolerable chance that we will, at some point, have machines that we have reason to believe possess self-awareness and/ or the ability to suffer. It makes sense to straighten out how the law would deal with such machines in advance of that, because to wait until they exist would require making laws on the hop. The go-to example here is provided by Dolly the sheep; when she was born, a lot of legislatures passed hastily-worded and not-all-that-sensible laws; had they not been caught out by events, they may have passed much more sensible laws.
Second, thought experiments like this may help us get our thinking straight about things that do currently exist. One of the things the vid nods towards, despite its flaws, is the treatment of nonhuman animals - and it may extend to very young, very old, or cognitively impaired humans. How should the law treat them, if they are not capable of sentience, a sense of self, or something like that? More radically, if we were to create human embryos that were genetically designed to have no higher brain function, so that we could use them for research/ stem cells/ whatever, would that wrong them? What would their moral and legal status be? Talking in terms of robots is not going to provide all the answers here; but it may help home in on the question of what, if anything, makes a certain entity important and therefore the kind of thing about which the law should concern itself.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:36, Share, Reply)
Once machines become conscious they get suicidal.
We all remember the washing machine video. Even Calgon couldn't help it.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:38, Share, Reply)
We all remember the washing machine video. Even Calgon couldn't help it.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:38, Share, Reply)
Don't try and lull us into a sense of security.
We all know you're in the back pocket of the robot industry and have no credibility here.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:45, Share, Reply)
We all know you're in the back pocket of the robot industry and have no credibility here.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:45, Share, Reply)
You aren't conscious. You just mimic it. Poorly.
There is no way for the rest of us to prove any differently.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 16:43, Share, Reply)
There is no way for the rest of us to prove any differently.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 16:43, Share, Reply)
White House Terrorism expert phones up someone who criticized him on Twitter
Quite the anger issues
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 13:45, Share, Reply)
Quite the anger issues
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 13:45, Share, Reply)
Anyone who criticizes the administration is a terrorist and is undermining efforts to make America great again.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 13:58, Share, Reply)
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I would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.
I'd cut their heads off until they told us the truth. Because, you know, that's what they're doing to our soldiers and journalists out there in Iraqistan.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:25, Share, Reply)
I'd cut their heads off until they told us the truth. Because, you know, that's what they're doing to our soldiers and journalists out there in Iraqistan.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:25, Share, Reply)
The old Alistair Campbell modus operandi.
Only ever works if things are going fairly well and your poll ratings are high.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:42, Share, Reply)
Only ever works if things are going fairly well and your poll ratings are high.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 14:42, Share, Reply)
Here's a direct link to the Audio/Video
Since the site is a horribly optimised spamcunt
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:12, Share, Reply)
Since the site is a horribly optimised spamcunt
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 15:12, Share, Reply)
Sounds familiar...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuQOmgl_Z4&feature=youtu.be&t=21
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:31, Share, Reply)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuQOmgl_Z4&feature=youtu.be&t=21
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 18:31, Share, Reply)
Book review of Trump biography 1993
I know we've reached Peak Trump on B3ta, but worth a read for some lolatious stories.
( , Thu 23 Feb 2017, 12:43, Share, Reply)
I know we've reached Peak Trump on B3ta, but worth a read for some lolatious stories.
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