If you think hate is inarticulate
you're a stupid fucking cunt.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:12, archived)

*likes this*

( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:13, archived)

Of course it is.
It results from attitude problems, unrealistic expectations and the inability to acknowledge your own inadequacy as a human being.

Allowing it to rule your psyche is only a few short steps from being a nationalistic troglodyte and violently attacking anyone remotely different from yourself with a view to murder.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:15, archived)

That's a wonderfully illogical leap from "experiencing hatred" to "allowing it to rule your psyche".
Just because you don't seem to be able to control it doesn't mean that everyone's as emotionally retarded as you are.
( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:17, archived)

Talking of illogic, you're making completely unfounded assumptions.
Who says I can't control my emotions? True, there are a disturbing number of people who can't, but what evidence do you have that can unambiguously lumps me in with those sub-human plebs?
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:20, archived)

The fact that you seem to have become so riled by my flippant accusation.

( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:22, archived)

How exactly was I "riled"?
Please show your working.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:23, archived)

No, we were talking about your strange leap from "experiencing hatred" to "allowing it to rule your psyche"
before you changed the subject.
( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:24, archived)

As most people don't have my self-control, they have no power to stop it spreading, and eventually it eats up everything else in their minds.
If you want an example, just look at the Daily Mail.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:27, archived)

I feel your pain, I am also better than everyone else who has ever lived.
It's lonely at the top, innit.
( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:29, archived)

hate is no more irrational than love
which also leads to ridiculous elements as religion, patriotism and veganism, all of which are a bane on the development of modern society, and allowing any or all of those to rule your psyche is equally if not more damaging to yourself and others around you.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:19, archived)

I never said love was a good thing.
It's nothing more than people listening to their hormones rather than their heads, and it's been indirectly responsible for some of the most spectacularly half-witted moments in human history.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:22, archived)

so would you advocate a third way?
some sort of mooncalf apathetic cud-chewing acceptance of every level of dimwittery modern life can throw at us? Fuck that, hate is the only thing that can curb the otherwise frightening levels of human inanity and stupidity. Get proper fucking angry, go loathesome, let it all out. Calm, rationed explanations do fuck-all in the face of the retarded opinions the modern world is capable of spouting. You have to be prepared, as a wise man once said, to properly fuck some cunt's shit right up.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:27, archived)

what's so bad about apathy?

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:28, archived)

meh, I dunno
who gives a fuck
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:29, archived)

Difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care...
(Eeh Blah Gum I guess that's the definition of irony, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:32, archived)

insightful

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:32, archived)

Ssssh
It's as interesting as I get on a Sunday night
(Eeh Blah Gum I guess that's the definition of irony, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:35, archived)

Yeah

( cwfooooooooooooooooooot shitty pixel waster, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:30, archived)

How is love not also a good thing?

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:27, archived)

It's a weak, pitiful gawking emotion
cloying, sickening, gushing and simple, powerless in the face of agony, misery and pain. Love is a fool's emotion.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:29, archived)

trust issues?

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:30, archived)

what's love got to do with trust?
Im sure most parents love their kids more than anything in the world, but wouldn't trust them as far as they could spit.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:32, archived)

it was an unrelated question

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:33, archived)

Love is amazing
and can be hundreds of times stronger than agony, misery and pain.

I would rather have loved and lost and ended up the most depressed miserable cunt alive than to have never loved at all.
( Mrs.Sp@m, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:46, archived)

It's a mating instinct - nothing more, nothing less.
Every sentient being has it, but only human beings have glorified it to the point of blind reverence.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:33, archived)

Define sentient there boyo.
Love may well be a chemical state but by fuck it's awesome.
( jim_bob is a waterproof rapist. Apparently., Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:35, archived)

so's heroin
why should one be illegal and the other not?
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:36, archived)

do you ever wonder if a debate might one day exist on the internet that isn't just a
parade of straw man arguments?
(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:41, archived)

people can type faster than the speed of thought
so it'll never happen.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:47, archived)

Shove your biological determinism
right up your cock.
( cwfooooooooooooooooooot shitty pixel waster, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:37, archived)

Bullshit.

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:38, archived)

Im using this as evidence that it's love, not hate, that is inarticulate

( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:40, archived)

There's no real difference between them, except they act in opposite directions.

( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:42, archived)

you try whipping up a crowd into an riotous frenzy
based on love. Doesn't work at all. "Quick, lets build a better cleaner humanity of tomorrow's children." Nope, that completely fails. "BOOO, down with the cancerous selfish G8 and their exploitation of the weaker states!", that gets cars set on fire and TV coverage. Hate is a much more effective motivator.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:46, archived)

hate is the product, it's fear, resentment, envy, etc, that you're reaching out to there

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:51, archived)

and if you reach out to kindness, affection and sympathy
you still won't get love to get off its arse, stop wringing its hands and actually start building something practical.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:03, archived)

Love builds bridges. The Judds said so.
SO YOU ARE WRONG GRRRMACHINE YOU EMOTION IDIOT.
( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:14, archived)

This is true.
It's mainly down to people's over-inflated egos. At the end of the day they'll only ever serve themselves, and if they can be persuaded that they're being done down, they'll agree to absolutely anything.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:52, archived)

Haha, fair enough.

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:42, archived)

How does that work
for gay couples then?
(Eeh Blah Gum I guess that's the definition of irony, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:41, archived)

As there is no feasible reproductive element to it, their mutual attraction is generally closer to the popular idea of love than most heterosexual relationships.

( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:47, archived)

Have you ever been in love?

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:51, archived)

I've had infatuations, which I grew out of on finishing puberty.
It's like a lot of organised religion - if you're not indoctrinated early, or converted by a memorable experience, it's no more real than the tooth fairy.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:53, archived)

Yeah, I thought so.

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:53, archived)

You mean you've had crushes, and wanted to have sex with someone.
That is not love, that is lust. It really isn't the same thing. It's easily confused, but love takes time to grow - lust just increases the chances of two human beings sticking around each other long enough for that to happen.

I'm not saying that you need to change your entire life, just that by projecting this attitude you frighten off those who may find you attractive, interesting and desirable, therefore effectively ensuring that you may miss out on something worthwhile. Not that this will make your life empty, or devoid of meaning, just that it might have the potential to be more.
( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:12, archived)

Actuality > potentiality.
And let's be honest now, I have nothing to offer besides a skewed but brutally rational view of the world.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:23, archived)

Every pan has its lid.

( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:32, archived)

Hmmmmmmmm
Not in the (admittedly few) gay bars I've been into. It was mostly about getting their wicks wet, from what I could tell!
(Eeh Blah Gum I guess that's the definition of irony, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:52, archived)

In those cases, the physical component of attraction outweighed the mental component.
In most ideal relationships, the two are balanced equally - however, reality and ideality rarely intersect.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:56, archived)

Do you have a room in your house which is filled with an entire city made of lego
and do you spend your spare time moving the hundreds of individually numbered lego people around according to your whim?
( The Hedgehog From Hell 's days are numbered, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:04, archived)

I have neither a spare room nor Lego.
Though I used to be well into it when I was a nipper.
( Know ye not Woodside? http://www.spam.com/lol, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:08, archived)

Except that love is anything but blind, despite the cliche.
I know all of Badger's faults, I'm hardly blind to them.

Incidentally, the emotion you are talking about is lust, which lasts for approximately two years. After that, the chemical reactions that trigger the mating instinct stops.

What you are left with are two people who have gone through the bonding process of shared experiences, and they exist in partnership. It's fulfilling, and it keeps us going as an individual. It also makes for a secure environment for any offspring. Yes it may be further chemicals making us bond with a parter to ensure future procreation, but that doesn't make it worthless or anything to be disdained. Although I firmly believe that it is possible to live happily without romantic love (as opposed to friendship, familial affection etc), it's much better to live with it.
( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:52, archived)

this is probably the most depressing post in the thread

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:54, archived)

How so?
The one thing that bonds nearly every single human being is the search for love. How is that depressing?
( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:55, archived)

meh, perhaps i'm just reading it from too cynical an angle

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:57, archived)

Im pretty sure the needs for clean water, warmth, food and personal security
bind humanity a lot closer than having someone to snuggle down in front of the TV with.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:09, archived)

Even in the midst of dire poverty, human beings will seek out someone to share it with.
My point is that even though it isn't this great spiritual gift that is greater than everything ever, it's still pretty fucking great. It might not motivate people in the same way as hate, but that doesn't make it meaningless.
( Wicca'd Witch - at the back with the glitter and safety scissors, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 23:17, archived)

This is what I was trying to say, but couldn't get it out properly.

( Esme Weatherwax fuck your fucking pie, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:55, archived)

it is a waste of time and energy

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:15, archived)

you massive penis
hate has driven humans to some of its greatest heights of discovery, art and enlightenment. What did a deep instilled racial hatred acheive? Both world wars, and therefore the jet engine, radio communication, computers and atomic power. What did the peace and love hippy movement achieve? massive pubes and the popularity of Volkswagen campers. Love and serenity can fuck right off.
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:18, archived)

i'm not pro-love merely anti-hate
and your grasp of world history seems to have slipped somewhat in this post
(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:19, archived)

to be honest, I'm just ripping off
Graham Greene
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:24, archived)

clickin dis

( mns Made it, Ma! Top of the world!, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:22, archived)

``In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
--Orson Welles, in the Third Man
(tuqueboy has been in a medically -induced coma since, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:34, archived)

yeah, way to quote something I linked to ten minutes ago
fuck, I hate you
( Grrrmachine : as apologetic as a shitting dog's face, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:35, archived)

even i hate him

(penelope, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:36, archived)

sorry
couldn't be arsed to scroll down to the bottom of the page. i'd hate you, but i couldn't be bothered.
(tuqueboy has been in a medically -induced coma since, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 22:46, archived)