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I was maybe being a little simplistic there, yes.

But the only way to get fat is to take in more calories than you burn off, ie more than you need.

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4Q just lurking, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 0:43, archived)

I believe that it is "genetic" in so far

as desires are not something people can control, and some people have far more desire to eat than others, with hunger being far harder for them to satiate than for other people.

I personally would struggle not to eat when I am hungry if food is available.

edit: Point being that it's not a level playing field, and so not necessarily fair to say "I eat well, why can't you?"

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monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 0:55, archived)

desires are not genetic

Edit: I would be interested to see how many fatties gleefully contributed to the Gingers challenge.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 0:56, archived)

Would something like sexual desire not be seen as caused by genetics?

I am aware that my statement was badly paraphrasing stuff I'd read ages ago, so I am likely to use terms wrongly.

edit: this is what I was trying to say:

(from Nature via Nurture by Matt Ridley)

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monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:04, archived)

basal desires are kind of Freudian in terms of their scientific validity.

While it's true that these desires are biologically based, in that they are semi-automatic impulses, they are not solely genetically determined. To summarise, the genotype sets the raw framework for development, where as the phenotype is the expression of the combination of the genotype and environmental factors (in the case of the brain: learning, diet, general health, etc). So, people's desire for food may possibly be genetically predisposed to eat more than another person, this doesn't necessarily mean that it is written in stone... so a child's experience in relation to food, their education etc can influence whether they'll be fat.

Basically, I'm saying that not only are fatties to blame for being fat, so are their parents.

Not really, there are many influences, though parents should exert a measure of control over their overeating kids which may help them to achieve a balance in future...

Sorry if this is gobbledygook, I'm tired.

Edit: yes, I would mostly agree with Mr. Ridley, but wanting something is not the same as doing something. I walk past Greggs often and everytime I do, I want ALL of the pies. However, my control over my own primal impulses prevents me from eating all of the pies and groping the lovely 18 year old girl who gave me all the pies.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:13, archived)

I largely agree with you.
But I'm fed up with this discussion now.
I wasn't expecting people to make such a meal of it.

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4Q just lurking, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:22, archived)

yes

enough of this fatuousness

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:26, archived)

I enjoy food, but whenever I feel I might be putting on a bit of weight, I eat less.

It really is that simple.

Oh, and I exercise.

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4Q just lurking, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 0:58, archived)

What about water retention

if you had knackered kidneys from sort of hereditary kidney disease whereby you need to have dialysis 4 times a week by the time you turn 40?

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sandettie light vessel automatic New Twitter - @bollocksreally, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:04, archived)

Well, okay, maybe they shouldn't be used for any compo entries.

Not that I've made any. I don't think it's the best compo idea.

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4Q just lurking, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:10, archived)

And Polio

If somebody weighs 20 stone in an iron lung, it's hardly his fault.

Stephen Hawking manages to stay trim somehow, though.

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An Egg ,D, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:34, archived)

haha - iron lung

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4Q just lurking, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 1:38, archived)