I'm not disputing the facts
Just the choice of facts. As for thought-provoking... maybe this is another one of those things that I think is common knowledge but turns out not to be. Preaching to the choir, perhaps.
I get the feeling that I'm not the intended audience. And I have no problem with you posting it on here - they are indeed issues that need tackling.
And to be clear, "blergh" was my one-word expression of "weeelll...yeeeesss... but....." not vomiting in disgust.
(, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:34, Reply)
Completely understand where you are coming from
there's a lot of truths but it's not balanced with any sort of counter argument.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:38,
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My main problem is that no solution is offered
Which, while blatantly not what is being said, will fall on many ears - the ears which most need to listen - as "MEN! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! ACCEPT THE BLAME!"
(, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:40, Reply)
No I certainly don't think men are the problem behind inequality
it's the problem with the whole process of Socialisation where Girls are given dolls and prams as presents and Boys are given toy guns and toy cars maybe this isn't as true as it once was but the seperation of the genders still continues but to a degree that's not a bad thing after all I'm sure most of us don't want to live is an Asexual Society where all gender indentity is removed - I certainly don't.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:46,
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Oh please don't get me wrong
I'm not saying you think that - indeed, I'm not even saying that the people behind the video think that.
It's a form of multiculturalism - no, no, stay with me. You have defined groups which should simultaneously be proud of what makes them different while being afforded equal opportunity.
And before anyone else jumps in, yes, I am aware that multiculturalism can mean different things to different people. If anyone wants to take issue with "multiculturalism", be advised that I will refer you to the words "form of" and this link: news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9389000/9389502.stm
(, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:52, Reply)
I'm agreeing with what your saying rather than opposing your views
yes I agree it's a form of multiculturalism but a bit more complex than that as Men and Women aren't different cultures just different social indentities trying to work out a balance would be very very difficult as gender means different things to different people. The fact that 2 women die each week from former or current partners isn't a trend in society just that a minority of males see women as merely property but I'm sure there are as many women with a distorted view about their relationship with men.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Mon 7 Mar 2011, 23:58,
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A social identity could be seen as an expression of culture
but if we go down that road we're rather getting off the point.
My problem with that fact is that most people know their killer (oddly, same goes for rape, just for the record), and since women are less likely to kill regardless of their victim's gender, and the men that women know best will be their (ex-)partner. It's misleading in a way. Yes, men kill more women than women do, but they also kill more men than women on the whole.
In terms of distorted view... well, we're in danger of getting into another area again. If you're interested in this, PM me some instant messenger info, and we can have a chat at a time convenient to you. I am certainly enjoying this discussion, and never shy away from learning more - either for or against my views. If you don't want to, that's fine too - this isn't a challenge or throwing down a gauntlet. Simply that I'm enjoying this and if you are too we can continue it without taking over the /links board :)
However, I have been motivated to track down specific numbers and sources for those facts. It's knowledge I've picked up over the years, which I realise isn't the most reliable way of doing it.
(, Tue 8 Mar 2011, 0:11, Reply)
Well I'm enjoying the debate too but I'll pass on your kind offer of PMing you
as I'm a little tired after a long day at work.
But I think it's true that Men are more prone to violence but once again this goes back to the whole process of Socialisation where men are expected to potentially lay down their lives in times of war and women are expected to bear and raise children for the continuation of society so it's all a bit hard-wired into society that Men will be prone towards violence and Women towards caring and nurturing I suppose.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 8 Mar 2011, 0:26,
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I'm not sure if you have any kids yourself, so please don't think i'm being snotty
little boys, not given guns, will make them out of twigs and lego. Little girls not given dolls will be equally inventive to create them. It isn't society giving them to the children - it's hardwired in the DNA of children to play with guns or dolls according to gender
(, Tue 8 Mar 2011, 12:45, Reply)
