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This is a link post Introduce the alternative vote in the next General Election I made this!

Needs some signatures to go live, thought it might be worth a shot given the current situation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:27, Reply)
This is a normal post I voted for AV when cleggy got his pay off as I have a soft spot for the greens.
Now i'm worried what power this would give to far right parties.

*looks at current mess*

Fuck it, signed.
Good luck to you.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Thanks

I also hope it'll give the Greens a larger voice. Inevitably the same will apply to other fringe parties but given the state of both Labour and the Tories right now I think it would be good to level the playing fiel .
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:47, Reply)
This is a normal post I doubt this form's much of a danger in that respect, ultimately.
It may lead to a swing, but frankly representation is some of what the result of the referendum seemed to be about.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Not signing til I can see what it actually is, and it's mid-approval
for all I know I'd be putting my name to lethal injections for the homeless
 (I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Also, you do know that parliament are just binning all these petitions now without looking at them?
Ever since some people thought it would be well lol to create thousands of them taking the piss out of referendum result whiners
 (I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:53, Reply)
This is a normal post nope
they're actually recruiting people to investigate whether the signatories are genuine.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 13:25, Reply)
This is a normal post
but it could be lethal injections for tories. Well worth the gamble, I'd say.
 (m.auron, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:53, Reply)
This is a normal post It needs one more sign to go live :/

Says exactly what I titled it as in the link. I wouldn't lie to you, would I? :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Is this where I link to your earlier post about giving the NHS some money?

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you tried approaching Vatican City?
They love signing these things.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Why not a proportional system rather than AV?
Pretty extraordinary that the third referendum Cameron called may end up overturning the first two. We may get another EU ref soon but suspect it will be a long time before we get another after that
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm

Anything other than one choice would be nic . I live in Newbury, I hardly know anyone who votes Tory yet somehow they have a vast majority here. I think there are a lot of people whose voices go unheard.
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:20, Reply)
This is a normal post As much as I'd like a form of proportional representation in an election, AV's not the most representative form
I'd have gone for broke if I were you and suggested a different one. I know some people voted against as a result of partisan anger, but I don't think it really engaged people actually interested in electoral reform to begin with. The Electoral Reform society saw it as a means to an end, but I don't think they were thrilled, it was a bit of a poisoned chalice.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Proportional rep, or av
Will likely give a louder voice to the sort of fuckwits that voted for bexit.

If we had pr during last election we'd be looking at a conservative, ukip coalition.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 7:59, Reply)
This is a normal post no thanks.
AV is not proportional representation and in certain electoral conditions, such as the 2015 General Election, could have produced a more disproportional result than First Past the Post (FPTP). - See more at: www.electoral-reform.org.uk/alternative-vote#sthash.Zc0o7JSW.dpuf
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 9:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Much as I would love to see a 'None of the Above' option
The fact is it doesn't have any place in the framework of an Election. The purpose of an Election is to elect individuals into public office, incidentally defining the direction of the State by the majority or otherwise of the parties and policies they represent.

Whatever we think, an Election is not 'about' the People voicing their opinions about the way the Country is run. You're thinking of a Revolution.
 (I helped save b3ta! Bootsthealchemist is barred from the Masterchef Facebook page, Wed 29 Jun 2016, 13:44, Reply)
This is a link post Corsa catches Subaru in rally NSFW
Sweariness ensues. The skill of the driver is matched by the navigator who somehow manages to combine instructions with a constant tirade of abuse. Lovely.
GC, you know where to go - it was seven years ago for god's sake!
(I helped save b3ta! tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Not my kettle of pish
But the colourful english and the drama won me over big time.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:23, Reply)
This is a normal post What were they thinking?
They could've well enjoyed a spot of tea while waiting for the road to clear. Shame really...
 (I helped save b3ta! BaronMunchausen Interdimensional Demon Day Laborer, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Barry's Tea?

(swank, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 21:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I think I'll stick with the shipping forecast thanks.

(I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 21:16, Reply)
This is a link post You never know what will turn up in junk stores!
Works of a mid 19th to early 20th Century self-taught artist depicting strange flying machines, secret codes, and other weird stuff.
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Laudanum, hell of a drug.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:21, Reply)
This is a normal post This is brilliant
Right up my alley!
 (I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:25, Reply)
This is a link post Woman uses suction cup opposite latex beef missile to fix dents in car NSFW
May be NSFW
(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:42, Reply)
This is a normal post That penis is just an extension of her car

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:55, Reply)
This is a normal post hahah

(theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post gosh

(macroscian (1 like), Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Golly!

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:54, Reply)
This is a normal post She could mix a mean salad with that.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:06, Reply)
This is a normal post I can't work out if things have been blurred or there is rain on the lens

(I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I wouldn't want her touching my schlong

Fucking hell.
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:55, Reply)
This is a link post SIGH
sigh
(I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Amateur actor fail: reading script cues out loud.
#beenaroundlongenoughtoknowbetter
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:07, Reply)
This is a normal post
DISAPPOINTED
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:23, Reply)
This is a normal post jajajaja

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Wonderful

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post ^Strong Point Here

(I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:45, Reply)
This is a normal post I'll raise you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kgjilRSOg
 (I helped save b3ta! fenella gronda gronda rango, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 23:57, Reply)
This is a link post What if Dog was one of us?

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:42, Reply)
This is a normal post lol
that's fucked up
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:05, Reply)
This is a normal post If you play that backwards you can hear ... oh ... ok

(I helped save b3ta! Flash_Bastard, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:51, Reply)
This is a link post The independence remake is shit.
But their website is fun. Just enter your adress (or any adress) and watch the mayhem.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:40, Reply)
This is a normal post nothing happens,
"waiting for signal"
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Takes a while to load...
The website attracts more visitors than the film will.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:44, Reply)
This is a normal post ah, and doesn't load at all,
on old safari.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:46, Reply)
This is a normal post That is very cool.

(Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:49, Reply)
This is a normal post It's better than this vote leave simulator
Watch the mayhem
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:01, Reply)
This is a normal post That's actually very good news
for me, as parts for my old Brit cars are now a lot cheaper to import :D
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:03, Reply)
This is a normal post A bunch of city spivs that don't actually make anything loose their shirt whilst UK manufacturing exports get cheaper?
*bursts into tears*
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:20, Reply)
This is a normal post pensions take a massive hit
the cost of goods at home increases, petrol duty increases etc.

to think that the stock market is an "isolated bunch of things which don't affect you" is very strange...

Uk manufacturing exports getting cheaper helps a strong manufacturing base... which we don't really have,

where did you study economics? weatherspoons?
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Ok, enough of the insults.
Like I would be seen dead in a weatherspoons......

Didn't study economics, but I did study how this country year on year saw it's manufacturing base run down whilst the Tories and New Labour bent over for the city who fucked us all over. Whole towns on the dole because the government got a hard on for financial services.

There probably will be pain over the next few years but I would rather that pain now and build this countries manufacturing base up again than later when the next time the city needs bailing out.

BTW doesn't mean anything but I do have a modest amount of shares in a UK company that manufactures. Up 25.99% so far today.

*eats croissant*
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Building a manufacturing base is a lot easier when you have trade agreements.
We don't.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post This FUD again
Until the negotiations are concluded and agreed upon, we're still a member and party to those agreements. We haven't even opened the negotiations yet.

Negotiations are expected to take two years, with a possible year's extension. That should be sufficient for a properly motivated team to conclude parallel negotiation for replacement agreements.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post The two year negotiations only relate to the 'divorce' proceedings,
not the replacement arrangements which are likely to take a lot longer (at least 7 years according to optimistic EU officials).
Until those negotiations are concluded it is impossible to tell what the trade position will be with the EU (let alone the rest of the world) and will act as a strong disincentive to invest in the UK.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post The key word I used was "parallel"
And it's in neither side's interests for the negotiations to last seven years. Two to three seems like a reasonable time span. Some trade deals have taken a lot longer, and some have taken a lot less time. The key is how motivated both parties would be to find a solution. I'd suggest in this case the answer would be "very".
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 15:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Does the civil service contain sufficient numbers of experienced trade negotiators
in order to conduct such a massive undertaking as to renegotiate all our agreements in parallel?
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Well if it doesn't
then you've just created a large number of skilled job opportunities. Hooray!
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post If they can be conducted in parallel, fine.
The optomists are still saying seven years to negotiate a new UK-EU trade deal. The US, China, India and Japan have stated they will not start trade talks with the UK until the UK-EU deal is finished. I'm not convinced both parties are very motivated, just the UK.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes we do.
And those we do will last at least 2 years from when we decide to leave.
After that, if everyone has decided to go on holiday and not work out some deals, in this extreme case we can trade with tariffs under WTO rules.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Until the deals are signed and sealed on the replacement of the EU based trade agreements,
investing in manufacturing in the UK will be very risky and this will deter investment.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:10, Reply)
This is a normal post That's a different aspect and dependent on what happens in the next few months.
So you agree that we currently do have trade deals?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:24, Reply)
This is a normal post The UK does not, the EU does.
This is semantics but as we have voted to leave the EU no business can gaurantee the nature of the trade arrangments from this point forward.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:29, Reply)
This is a normal post No it's not semantics.
We have at least 2 years of trade agreements because that is how long we will still be a member of the EU for.

that is very different to your assertion that we currently have no trade agreements.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:52, Reply)
This is a normal post This is very much an argument based on semantics.
What I take as the meaning of 'we have' is different from what you take the meaning to be, that is all.
The point, that you are choosing to ignore, is that by voting to leave the EU we have created significant uncertanty that will deter investment in the UK and in particular in UK manufacturing.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:13, Reply)
This is a normal post If that was your point
You should have mentioned it, instead of asserting that we no longer have any trade deals.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 23:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Can I point you to
this and this and the previous posts where I have explained what I mean when I say we have no trade deals.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 23:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, I'm sorry
I thought you meant this in which you asserted quite clearly we have no trade deals. My mistake.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 0:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Shame we rely on imports so much that drops in the pound result in significant inflation.
More expensive clothes, food, gas, electricity, white goods, other electrical goods and so on (the UK is a net importer of manufactured goods). That means lower sales volumes for retailers which means pay cuts and job losses which results in lower pay; people getting poorer.
The city spivs are not losing their jobs or money (they trade with other peoples wealth), at worst they are being moved to Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt or Paris.
Vote leave won and we are all poorer because of it.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, supermarkets may have a harder time importing from the EU.
So they'll have to source more locally (good for UK producers and the environment).
This may Increase food prices true but I suggest there's 2 things that will work against that. Those being people not willing to pay increased prices and going to the discounters Aldi and Lidl who will have no problems sourcing.

Yes we are a net importer of manufactured goods, when is a trade deficit seen as a good thing?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:13, Reply)
This is a normal post The National Farmers Union were pointing out that only 60% of the food in the UK is grown here.
This country can not grow enough food by itself to feed its own population and its climate only allows for certain crops.
The price of imported food will increase no matter which supermarket you buy it from.
Trade deficits are bad, thats why it has been beneficial to have a financial sector as a net exporter, helping to reduce that deficit.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:03, Reply)
This is a normal post You know that commonwealth that the EU effectivly blocked us from making trade deals with?
That.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Still more expensive due to the devaluation of the pound.
The UK used its influence to get the EU to negotiate trade deals with commonwealth countries.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:33, Reply)
This is a normal post
"This country can not grow enough food by itself to feed its own population and its climate only allows for certain crops."
So the possible answer is commonwealth, agreed?

I've already conceded that prices may go up and the possible negating factors on that.

"The UK used its influence to get the EU to negotiate trade deals with commonwealth countries."
Well I guess commonwealth countries will be looking to thank us then with a speedy trade agreement then!
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:55, Reply)
This is a normal post You can buy the food from whoever will sell it cheapest, no one cares.
So long as you understand my original point:
Vote leave won and we are all poorer because of it
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:06, Reply)
This is a normal post In other news the FTSE100 has crashed
to a level not seen since... oh. Two weeks ago.

It's just bog-standard market volatility. As you were.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:14, Reply)
This is a normal post And that volatility is in no way connected?
Bog standard my arse.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Did I say it was unconnected?
There's been a drop, but it's smaller than the drop in the gap in the six months from the start of December. Everything needs to be viewed in context.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 14:15, Reply)
This is a normal post So, a six month drop
that coincides with the referendum announcement, followed by the equivalent 6 months of the same downward trend in a day.
Nothing to see here.
 (I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 18:19, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't post a link to the FTSE100 for this reason.
The biggest gains on the FTSE100 on friday occured in precious metal extraction companies that have little/no presence in the UK and probably report their accounts in dollars. The FTSE100 is not a reliable economic indicator, the value of the pound is, it directly affects the UK economy.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:40, Reply)
This is a normal post someone did a music video a bit like that with trees that went appeared like mushroom clouds
was it Arcade Fire?
Think it was this www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
edit - yep, but you have to wait until the end for the trees bit
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:05, Reply)
This is a normal post That's excellent

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:26, Reply)
This is a link post Cornwall is great!
Off to Crantock this weekend with a small party. I love clean outstanding EU cleaned beaches.
(Fluffster, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Fake
There has never been that much sunshine anywhere, let alone Cornwall.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I think someone on here may just live in Cornwall.
I think they only mention it every 2 or 3 posts they make.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Cornwall is indeed great.
When it's sunny.

When it's not, not so much.
Like last week when I was there :(

BTW if you're travelling anywhere near Halye check out the Bucket of Blood pub.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:05, Reply)
This is a normal post
Polly Joke is great
 (Dr_Goats Stop staring at me, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:28, Reply)
This is a normal post I love Cornwall
Where's Skels btw? he'd be all over this!
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:17, Reply)
This is a normal post
Just shown the Cornish misses this however being in Singapore and it's fucking hot hasn't helped..back to blighty next week :(
 (I helped save b3ta! The invisible ham Fig rolls are the best, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:30, Reply)
This is a link post colorful and artsy

(I helped save b3ta! Woodkovsky ☹️➝🚻➝🚽➝😣➝💩➝🧻➝😁, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 3:40, Reply)
This is a link post Australian commercial with a great Trump parody!
Hope it is not GC...
(I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 0:29, Reply)
This is a normal post giggety

(I helped save b3ta! Woodkovsky ☹️➝🚻➝🚽➝😣➝💩➝🧻➝😁, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 4:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Shite.

(I helped save b3ta! Mastarbeiter came into your mind on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:26, Reply)
This is a link post Leave campaign announces an even stronger push to Remain in the EU
Boris has decided to go with the "I save you all" move and hope no one realises

Too much excitement, I'm going to bed
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 23:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Climb down begins?
That's an extraordinary statement for a man who seemingly just won a vote
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 23:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Reality
Is one hell of a drug.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:32, Reply)
This is a normal post I wish I lived in the same world as Boris,
Where you can just say whatever you want and tell people it's the truth with absolutley zero basis.
 (emptyspace, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 0:43, Reply)
This is a normal post And I love how this chump annonces what the EU will do
Thinking that we will oblige like some zombified Smurfs to the voice of our dear leader.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 19:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Amazing... anyone would think with this amount of back peddling that the game plan wasn't actually to win.
It's as if he wanted to lose by just a small margin so he could challenge the legitimacy of Cameron's leadership without collapsing the EU. Or something.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 0:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Has the story changed since you posted the link?
Can't see the bit where he's pushing to remain in the EU.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:16, Reply)
This is a normal post this?
Mr Johnson said Britain would always be "part of Europe" and "there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market".

which we know means accepting pretty much the deal we had before, or the Norwegian model...which means less power than we had for the same output.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Well...
"part of Europe"

You don't have to be a member of the EU to be European.

"there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market"
That's what the leave side has been arguing all along.
The question is if they can deliver that in the negotiations.
The remain side have argued like you that it cannot be done or may be a worse deal.
Lets see on that.

I still don't see the bit where he's calling to remain in the EU.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:17, Reply)
This is a normal post it's pretty difficult to see anything
with your head in the sand.

EDIT: "EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and settle down," he said.

that's free movement of people too... so exactly where is the "brexit"?

are you sure you weren't duped into helping boris oust cameron... or you sure you are not just a pawn in a bullington chess match?
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 12:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Ok.. I'm assuming you've miss read the article and not being intentionally misleading.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. "

Do you not read this as talking about people that are already living here and abroad?

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down."

That's not free movement. You can do all this in other countries that we don't have a political union with.

The rest of the quote goes on to say.
"As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "

This was reported last night and is a good sign that we will get the arrangement we were told would not be possible. Unless you're suggesting Germany has lost it's hold over the EU.

"The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK. "
So.... Brexit.

"Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. "
Brexit, and confirms the 1st point.

Now, who's got their head in the sand having difficulty seeing things?

If anyone is a pawn or being duped I would suggest it was you who seems to have been convinced by this article that we're about to go against the democratic will of the country and remain within the EU.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 16:40, Reply)
This is a normal post when I looked earlier there wasn't anything about remaining
but it did contain the phrase, attributed to him, saying
'we should "increase" levels of cooperation with the EU'
 (Melatonin, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Sounds like the BBC has been cherry picking quotes then.
Here's the actual paragraph in his article.

"I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU."
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 13:08, Reply)
This is a link post Do sugar free gummy bears have a laxative effect?
Yes, now you don't need to watch the video.
(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:11, Reply)
This is a normal post well, since you've cleared it all up in the description i'm not watching this
makes one wish everything was so straightforward on /links
 (I helped save b3ta! Woodkovsky ☹️➝🚻➝🚽➝😣➝💩➝🧻➝😁, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:24, Reply)
This is a normal post
It is not right! We need some sanctimonious cunt with a massively inflated estimation of his own intellect to patronize us for a while and tell us we are all wrong.
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Why have you got a wheelie bin in your kitchen?

(I helped save b3ta! RudieSeventyOne The self styled king of un-originality since, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 23:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Excellent. I'm going to get loads of these for trick or treaters this year.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 0:48, Reply)
This is a normal post seriously, thank you
for that idea. I'm counting down the days now.
 (I helped save b3ta! parsons* *restrictions apply, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Together we can spread evil throughout the land >:)
All Saint's Day will henceforth be known as "Runny Bottomageddon"
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:38, Reply)
This is a link post Boston Dynamic's new robot, Spotmini I made this!
New footage found with the internal microphone turned on.
 (I helped save b3ta! Evil Prof. Pixel Masher I made this!, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:11, Reply)
This is a normal post That made me chuckle a lot.
Much needed - thanks.
 (I helped save b3ta! Skotzmun Blah blah secret passage blah blah diamonds., Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Thanks man.
It's the first 'funny' thing I made in a while. I needed the encouragement - thanks. :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Evil Prof. Pixel Masher I made this!, Wed 29 Jun 2016, 2:44, Reply)
This is a link post What's up cunts? NSFW
saw this and thought of you x
possibly NSFW
i do like Adult Swim
(Twisted Technic .. as if, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 21:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Am I the only one that sees vibrators?

(Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 21:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Dunno. I saw The Buzzcocks once.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 21:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Best remake of The Sixth Sense eva.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:02, Reply)
This is a normal post goddamn you!

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:05, Reply)
This is a normal post
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMcBNfhkZ-4

oops! www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNxy7uNEAzE
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:19, Reply)
This is a normal post This Sixth Sense remake is a bit odd

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Put it away!
Don't put it away there!
 (Roxon, Mon 27 Jun 2016, 17:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Jason Statham, the worlds angriest potato.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 18:05, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought that was Phil Mitchell.

(I helped save b3ta! Oysdgp there's nothing to smile ABOUT, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 18:53, Reply)
This is a normal post jaysums statham more like

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 19:05, Reply)
This is a normal post I think action movies are cheap these days.
They don't seem to use pyrotechnics or car drivers these days. So once you have Jason Statham, you are set.
 (I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 20:58, Reply)
This is a normal post
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-raI6zh2sWQ though not 80's at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Oysdgp there's nothing to smile ABOUT, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 21:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Needs more explosions

(I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:21, Reply)
This is a link post New video from exurb1a

(Scienti read a strong opinion on the internet on, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post His stuff just get's better
and better
*click*
 (I helped save b3ta! buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 21:22, Reply)

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