Personal Identity
When you have to define yourself as part of a society or "tribe", how do you?
Are you White, Mixed Race, British, English, Northern A Yorkshireman ,A European or another classification? Are you one of the "Celtic" peoples who have a pole up their arse about having been placed within the immediate vicinity of England?
I take advantage of my mixed racial genes and call myself "Anglo-Indan", as it has a noble, patriotic British Empire ring to it.
When asked for geographical descriptor I'd say "Wolverhampton", so from the Black Country, West Midlands, or , for a foreigner, "Near Birmingham"
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:19, 132 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

IRISH AMERICAN
*sits back and waits for the storm*
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:22, Reply)

Apparently these days ,far more Irish people are positive towards the UK than the Irish American community
Apparently its all to do with the imperial cruelty that drove away emigrants .
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:25, Reply)

I really don't know anything about it.
I only said it because it pisses people off.

I don't care though. I have an awesome t-shirt that says fuck me, I'm irish.
Tell me how many Irish people have that!
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:32, Reply)

I don't know. Maybe I should do a survey.
Excuse me while I get the ferry from Holyhead.
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:49, Reply)

weirdly
we all have t-shirts that say fuck me, I'm Kristine with a K.
(Zoz prayed for twink on, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:07, Reply)

Where do you get those at? :(

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:12, Reply)

The pound shop.

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:20, Reply)

burn

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:23, Reply)

government issue
they're mandatory for renewing your citizenship.
(Zoz prayed for twink on, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:21, Reply)

OH MY GOODNESS YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDMA PROBABLY ONLY HAD IRISH STEW ONCE AND NOW YOU SAY YOU'RE IRISH OHMYGAWD.
Actually, had a rant on that yesterday watching some show called "extra virgin" that pretended to be set in tuscany even though all the shop keepers and 'huntsmen' were american
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:26, Reply)

They don't pretend to be set there, Gonz. They live in America, her husband is Italian and so they cook Italian American fusions

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:34, Reply)

They were talking about shooting wildbores as they roam the fields and the kids aren't safe.
I don't think there are wild bores in LA.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:30, Reply)

Maybe they were in Tuscany for that episode?
Who knows. Be angry if you want to.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:31, Reply)

Nah', the road was deffo not Italy, huge houses with lush green lawns, all the houses identical with 4x4s outside in the street.
Plus they keep on using the italian prounciation on things to such an extreme way that it annoyed me.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:34, Reply)

like giada
I hate her
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:40, Reply)

Oh god yes, she's always talking about growing up in Italy, but she moved away when she was 7.
Her childhood was basicly just starting then, I don't know anyone who remembers as much detail as she claims too at that age.

I think Rachael Ray is quite cute, but she treats you like a child, "Eee Vee Oh El" and all that.

The worst one is Robert Irvine, he's a fucking prick and a compelete and utter douchbag, loads of times he does a dish like frozen reconsituted chicken nuggets.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:48, Reply)

Rachel Ray's voice gets on my nerves

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:50, Reply)

Bristolian.
*Offers everyone out in a haze of cider fueled carnage*
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:23, Reply)

Scottish.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:28, Reply)

British-awesome.

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:33, Reply)

my two favorite EVER

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:37, Reply)

: )))

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:38, Reply)

Immigrant.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:43, Reply)

Wrong.
Grandson of Immigrants. And only two.
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:46, Reply)

Me, you oaf.
3 of my grandparents were.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:47, Reply)

Oh, sorry.
Cool. May I ask the region of the world they were from?
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:48, Reply)

shouldn't you be hanging around outside a shop like normal teenagers on a friday night?
IRISH.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:54, Reply)

Do you actually sound Irish?
I can't imagine it.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:55, Reply)

nope, I have lived here for too long.
I have a dual nationality passport but don't feel English.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:58, Reply)

He isn't allowed to go out this evening Bob, as it looks like rain.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:56, Reply)

I owned up to my misdemeanour.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:58, Reply)

I saw!
Now don't do it again.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:59, Reply)

what did you do?

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:03, Reply)

Bob made a typo
I made a really witty comment, then he ninja'd it, leaving me looking silly.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:05, Reply)

he does that sort of thing
like deleting threads
and ninja'ing
the twat
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:12, Reply)

I made him apologise.
So I win.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:14, Reply)

sounds like online bullying to me

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:22, Reply)

It would do, if it wasn't for the fact Bob thought he could get away with it.
The cheeky scamp.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:24, Reply)

K, thought you'd want to know that your favourite group N-Dubz are playing this Saturday in the town
Where b3th resides.

www.channel4.com/t4/whos-playing

Seeing as she hasn't bothered going on the pier yet, I'd say it was highly unlikely that she'd go out of her way to get you a photo of your idols.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:28, Reply)

WHY ARE YOU TAUNTING ME?!!!!!!!

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:31, Reply)

From what the local news was saying, you can follow the day online.
No idea where, or if you can watch it internationally, but in theory, you could watch N-Dubz, and see the pier at Weston-super-Mare, without the need for airtravel.

I'll let you research where you can watch it.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:33, Reply)

those wombat fellows look like they haven't showered in a week
is that attractive?
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:37, Reply)

What would I know? I'm not a fruit.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:38, Reply)

But you are a gay.

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:38, Reply)

No I'm not.
You're gay. And so is your mum and your dad.

No returns.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:39, Reply)

Yeah but your dad takes it up the shitter from my dad and that's way gayer.
MATE.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:43, Reply)

Why I have been out on the town with friends 4 times this week already.
Not at night, of course.
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 18:58, Reply)

and underage as well.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:06, Reply)

"Out on the Town"
Did not imply drinking.
I would be teetotal anyway, Alcohol has no appeal for me.
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:24, Reply)

Wait till you have to pay taxes then it will.

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:29, Reply)

I have thought of zis...
I want them cut anyway.
(not making this political)
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:36, Reply)

Wait until you're faced with the realities of life.
You'll soon change your tune.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:29, Reply)

*grown up high fives*

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:31, Reply)

You know it wifey.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:35, Reply)

Shall we adopt Freefair?
He needs us.
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:36, Reply)

No.
He's a bellend.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:38, Reply)

Irish

(Zoz prayed for twink on, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:08, Reply)

Begorra!
*dances a jig*
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:09, Reply)

get thee behind me!
yer only after me lucky charms.
(Zoz prayed for twink on, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:15, Reply)

she wants your coin purse

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:18, Reply)

^needs more validation
ZOZIMUS IS A DIRTY LEPRECHAUN
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:32, Reply)

“If you're lucky enough to be Irish, then you're lucky enough.”
Come here you scamp and let me frisk you.
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:19, Reply)

oh alright
but don't try stealing my spuds, not falling for that one again, potato blight my arse.
(Zoz prayed for twink on, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:26, Reply)

Right benders.
I'm off to the pub.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:40, Reply)

Bye hon!
Don't do anything I would do.
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:40, Reply)

I'm Scottish first
and British second.

Even though I'm technically half-English, and have married an Englishman, and have an accent like a 1950s BBC presenter, I get very cross when people call me English. My father has properly indoctrinated me.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:44, Reply)

you lot are so particular about where you're from and your accents and that.
But then you get all wiley when I say I'm not a yank.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:47, Reply)

On the other hand I do make the distinction.Yanks are Northeastern Americans, right?

(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:52, Reply)

Yes

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:57, Reply)

Yanks are from the north, aren't they?
/may have watched North & South recently
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:52, Reply)

yes

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:57, Reply)

Do you have a scottish accent? I fucking love the scottish accent.
Well, half the scottish accent, used to date a girl and I thought it was like going out with a scottish Billy Connoly... that does _soo_ much for me. I like subtal irish accents too. And american.

I watched this show called The Scheme last night, I had to turn it off when he started shooting up smack, I can't stand needles.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:29, Reply)

Read my post again carefully
specifically, the bit where I say I have an accent like a 1950s BBC presenter.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:33, Reply)

Sorry, I got as far as scottish and imediattly ticked it on the Box Of Ace Things About B3th.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:42, Reply)

There are still plenty of ace things about b3th
fucking loads of them.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:43, Reply)

Yeah', but this one took you over to page 2.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:49, Reply)

I can't put into words the feelings I feel about you, but this guy can.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:51, Reply)

I'm british
but being in wales makes me want to specify that I'm english. But I'm also a larper/nerd/post-feminist/bleeding-heart-liberal and a bunch of other things which seem more important to my identity than the random bit of this planet I was born on
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 19:47, Reply)

Well
this is fun.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:08, Reply)

On a related note, Where does the cultural South end and the cultural North begin (of England)?
I'd say "the South" goes up to Stoke on Trent.
The Midlands used to be more Northern before the 80's, since then it has been more southern.
Those who say Watford Gap are, I feel, aiming too low
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:19, Reply)

I know nowt of this subject

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:23, Reply)

Well how about in the USA?
I know Florida is culturally and socially in "The North", but where does the line go?
(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:28, Reply)

Do you know where Florida is?

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:31, Reply)

Florida is a Northern State, eh?
Tell that to my homies in Jacksonville.

Mason Dixon line, dear boy. Look it up.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:31, Reply)

He DID say culturally and socially, not geographically
but the thing is, florida is shit so why are we talking about it anyway?
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:32, Reply)

Apart from the retirees
I'd say that Florida was culturally, politically and economically of the South.

Any seccesionist state is irrevocably Southern.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:35, Reply)

You say that like it's a bad thing!

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:38, Reply)

It was a brave - if ultimately very misguided - effort
And it's given me a passion in life.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:41, Reply)

i remember you saying so
it's good to have passion
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:44, Reply)

Yeah
Just treated myself to a new book about Nathan Bedford Forrest - a Confederate Cavalry General.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:57, Reply)

Somehow I'm related to Grant.

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:58, Reply)

He wasn't on your side
You know that, right?
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:59, Reply)

Yeah, I'm less a fan of the confederacy and more a fan of being born in the south.
I don't give a fig about all that other junk.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:06, Reply)

I am "British", if someone asks me what kind I say "Jewish by culture".
Most people think I'm greek or turkish, what with them being the majority minority in the area I live in.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:27, Reply)

when did I put things in the oven?
I got distracted and now I have no idea when it'll be cooked
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:28, Reply)

What things did you put in the oven?
If it was a side of beef you've got a few hours yet.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:30, Reply)

pff!
hell no, oven chips and a garlic bread
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:30, Reply)

someone once told me "if you can smell it, it's done"
these are the worst instructions ever
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:32, Reply)

well they are browner than they were
I'm going with 'it's cooked' now
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:34, Reply)

Probably about done then
Unless you put them in at six in which case you need airfreshener and some biscuits.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:33, Reply)

"Anglo-Indan"? More like little fucking cunt, that's how most people view you, excepting your parents who simply feel savage disappointment whenever your turnip head rocks round the corner

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:38, Reply)

: ((

( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:40, Reply)

It's about time we stopped dancing round the subject BGB and gave it to the little cunt direct, he's being helped in a way

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:42, Reply)

Oh! I thought you were talking about you.
My bad.
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:46, Reply)

You'll never leave bottom set for English at this rate

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:50, Reply)

You said bottom.
*giggles*
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:53, Reply)

It's nice when it's someones else getting both barrels.
I also happen to agree with you
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:15, Reply)

This is what I think, when I think of, when I hear a girl with an accent.
Scottish and Irish: Nurses and matrons, caring and kind but don't take shit. Hard working, gets on with whatever needs to be done. Very passionate about caring for people, but able to detatch themselves for the greater good too (like a nurse dealing with cancer patients).

South African and Russian: Very hard, down to buisness, but with something somewhere inside them that says they have had to be hard to grow up how they have. Almost broken, in the respect that they've seen so many horrors, but can still be saved.

American (new york (not brooklin though.)): So mature in some ways, and not in other ways. Like they know what they want and how to get it, and will do what it takes to do soo.... but what they want is nothing bad.

Polish: Slightly cold, don't know why.

Liverpool/Newcastle: A lady who has common sense and likes a good laugh.

Essex/chav: Like they've had to shout the loudest to get heard and doesn't know that she doesn't have to shout anymore.

African, mostly: I love the african laugh, it's a deep throated real laugh, but there is something there that makes me think of them asexually on a interlectual level.

Countrys Where Women Are Treated Like Shit: I feel so sorry for them, they're too submissive for me, like they don't think they can amount to anything beyond the household.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:41, Reply)

That last line there Gonz
Substitute "Cultures" for "Countries." It happens the world over in certain communities.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:44, Reply)

Yeah', you're totally right there.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:47, Reply)

Ultimately our free thinking open minded Western enlightenment
Still places freedom of belief on a higher pedestal than basic human rights.

This isn't supported by any sort of atavistic evidence - many of the American Indian nations were arranged in a matriarchal society which is one of the reasons that the (Christian) god-fearing pioneers regarded them as savages.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:55, Reply)

Have you ever been to an Indian Reservation?
I went to Cherokee North Carolina and it's pretty sad, their entire history and culture has been reduced to selling dream catchers in tourist spots.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:07, Reply)

Yes
I've met a few on my travels too.

We didn't have the word Genocide then, but it's worth remembering that the US between 1865 and 1890 committed acts of genocide far worse than the Third Reich or the Khmer Rouge.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:11, Reply)

Thankfully we don't have that on a legal level in the UK, which is quite amazing when you think about it.
I've always maintained the notion that fundermentalists on any side are just as bad as the other (weather it's religion, football or anything else)... and the conservative amercains are of no exception. I think your left are still righter than our boarderline right.

I love a lot about america, but I once heard the american goverment described as "The uncle who touched you up as a kid, but paid your way through collage".
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:42, Reply)

HE NEVER PAID MY WAY
:((((((((((((((((((((((((
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:44, Reply)

Oh Gonz, you haven't met a proper girl until you've met a girl from the American South.

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:44, Reply)

And the southern belles with the way they talk, they knock me out when I go down there...

(888777555, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:45, Reply)

I only have a slight twang :(

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:47, Reply)

That's because they're considerably stronger than you

( Kroney, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:39, Reply)

it's from all the wrasslin' and feeshin' we do as keeds

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:44, Reply)

HEY BOI
GIT OUT BACK YOUS GOT SOME HOWG WRASSLIN' TO DO
( Kroney, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:45, Reply)

it's funny because I was going to say hog wrestling but i didn't
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:50, Reply)

Hmm, Southern American girls...
... I think a lot like the Irish/Scottish one, not quite as so caring but deffo more wise. I'm thinking along the lines of Paula Dean only without the horrific underlying "I'll fuck you over if you cross me" that she seems to have.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:47, Reply)

Gonz!!!!!!11111
Server for I phone???
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:54, Reply)

Haha, I just got in when I posted above..... doing it roit noi !

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 20:56, Reply)

Other.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:31, Reply)

I define myself as a bad-ass motherfucker
from the planet BigBollocks
( Kroney, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:38, Reply)

I like this

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:42, Reply)

I am excellent company at dinner parties

( Kroney, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:46, Reply)

I bet you are
a fund of witty stories and urbane anecdotes.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:50, Reply)

I am every inch the suave sophisticate
and if anyone says different, I'll fucking bottle yous, you cahnt
( Kroney, Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:55, Reply)

Ahh, a Londoner I see.
well met old chap.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 8 Jul 2011, 21:55, Reply)