alright gaylords
I'm exhausted today. Terrible night's sleep, weird dreams and was woken up by spastics bellowing in my street a couple of times. How are you? Happy birthday to Battered jr.

Syria: I can't help but think if my home was flattened by rockets or my kid had her legs blown off by machine gun fire I wouldn't be all that keen. Why is killing and maiming with metal or explosives 'ok' but not poison gas? It seems to me that as soon as you have what you consider 'acceptable' methods of mass slaughter you have a problem.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 7:44, 85 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Alright Monty Boyce
I'm knackered today too.

On the 'Chemical vs. Explosives' debate, I would assume the level of acceptability would be based purely on comedy value. Seeing chemical burns and people choking doesn't hold much inherent 'fun', but watch a guy trying to re-attach his severed arm, like in Saving Private Ryan, and I am 'Rolling On The Floor Laughing'
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 7:54, Reply)

As am I, I need coffee.
I think there's technical reasons chemical are "worse" can't properly aim them or limit their spread, leave behind residues that can last years. But morally I don't think there's a massive difference.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:07, Reply)

Top o' the morning to you Monty my dear chap.
I have another day off today - punctuated by shifting stuff to the tip and possibly having a beer.

The conventional vs gas debate is said (by governments) to be that gas is 'indiscriminate' and 'uncontrollable'. I believe that governments don't like the idea of gas because it's far too easy to make and deploy. Imagine the idea of a 'suicide gasser' - you can carry enough gas/precursors in a backpack to kill far more people that you ever would with explosives.
Three guys like that on the tube in rush hour = tens of thousands dead.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:11, Reply)

They tried that in Tokyo, didn't work that well.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:12, Reply)

Wasn't that the Aum cult?
I think they tried Sarin IIRC - it would be easier and more destructive with VX, but VX is harder to make.
Edit. The Sarin used in the Tokyo attack was found to be impure and of quite low toxicity (compared to the real stuff). As well, the perpetrators had no intention of being martyrs so they didn't actually release the stuff effectively. Nevertheless 13 people died.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:15, Reply)

I have a feeling every home made chemical weapon would be pretty shit.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:26, Reply)

I dunno
Chorine gas is really easy to make and its nasty stuff.
( Peej, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:33, Reply)

Thanks for the tip, Peej!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:01, Reply)

Its all a con innit. The Yanks can't bomb them when they are only using explosives because they support loads of countries that do it
So they wait until they can blame it on something the public deem worse. Personally I think Al farted when the wind was blowing in the wrong direction and the poor Syrian Government are having to take the fall for it.
( Peej, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:29, Reply)

History is written by the winners
It's OK for the US to kill people indiscriminately with drones, but not for others they don't like to do it in other ways.
The US's foreign policy has always been a disaster, ever since WW1, comes of being an insular country with no idea about the rest of the world. They support all sorts of horrible dictators (Tito, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, etc etc) cos they keep a lid on tribal warfare then knock them off when it either doesn't suit or the guy turns on them.
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:35, Reply)

And there's me thinking he was just a harmless member of the Jackson 5.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:42, Reply)

Damn you

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:47, Reply)

What did I do?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:48, Reply)

Stole my joke

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:07, Reply)

Sorry, let me know next time.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:07, Reply)

you got it

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:13, Reply)

Drones aren't indiscriminate.
They're quite highly targeted.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:19, Reply)

But so far unable to distinguish which side people are on.
Hence regularly killing innocents.
( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:54, Reply)

no, no
if a drone kills them they are automatically baddies. US foreign policy 101.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:56, Reply)

If they're not actually terrorists, they're probably harbouring terrorists.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:59, Reply)

The UK is no less guilty than the US for this sort of thing.
Also, it's nothing to do with being insular or having no idea about the rest of the world. They know precisely what they are doing.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:24, Reply)

Yeah, well fuck you.
Ugh, I'm ridiculously hungover.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:39, Reply)

Bit rude.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:47, Reply)

You'll ger used to it.
I'm currently considering whether or not I'd get a disciplinary for crying at my desk.

It's THAT kind of hangover.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:54, Reply)

Pull yourself together man.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:58, Reply)

feellikeasetofcurtainslolz

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:59, Reply)

Have you thought about killing yourself
I mean your family would then be saddled with your debt but fuck 'em what have they ever done for you?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:09, Reply)

Paid the debt?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:13, Reply)

I'm fucked today
Weekend of castle/drinking and Monday afternoon of digging in the garden, followed by burning stuff. My fucking eyebrows hurt today

I NEED COFFEE AND TOAST

Syria - fuck 'em
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:47, Reply)

Alright
I'm pretty damn good, apart from no longer being on holiday.
What have I missed?

Alt: This sounds like some kind of commie pacifist talk, Monts. Not what I expect from you.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:00, Reply)

Quite the opposite.
I'm all for cutting huge swathes through countries on pretexts no less flimsy than that they have 'smelly food' - I just think the idea of 'ok' ways of doing so is a bit ripe. It's more of a plea for *more* chemical attacks, I think 'all's fair in love and war' myself. I feel, for example, that the Japanese attitude during WWII was refreshingly honest: 'of course we'll work people we've taken prisoner to death in labour camps, it's a fucking war you knobs'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:08, Reply)

POWlolz

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:14, Reply)

Nanking Lols

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:34, Reply)

ry yu no rissen?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:42, Reply)

I was gonna ask the same question!!!!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:05, Reply)

Why not start a new thread and do just that?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:15, Reply)

I might jut do that

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:22, Reply)

I crashed around 11:30 last night
and consequently am quite perky today. Walked to work too, nice crisp morning is just right for that sort of thing.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:16, Reply)

Yeah it was super-misty along the Regents Canal at 7am.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:22, Reply)

Fuck that walking shit. Get a car.

( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:29, Reply)

Fuck that driving shit, get a train.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:38, Reply)

Fuck that working shit, stay in your bedsit with a parrot.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:41, Reply)

woah

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:42, Reply)

In London? No thanks.

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

Just think of it as Marquis of Queensbury rules, old boy. Only applied to warfare.
It doesn't hurt any less to be punched below the belt, but it just ain't sporting, what?
( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:18, Reply)

Maybe for you cos you're a nullo, for the rest of us it hurts A LOT

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:21, Reply)

I meant "more" OBVIOUSLY.
God, Nakers. Bloody comprehension flid.
( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:28, Reply)

I like this

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:22, Reply)

Boxing might be more interesting if they had chemical weapons.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:27, Reply)

It was
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Liston
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:32, Reply)

It's control - once it's been released you have no control over it.
Apart from inceration. Which isn't going to be much fun in a populated area anyway.
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:28, Reply)

You obviously don't remember the great Dresden street party of '45.

( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:30, Reply)

Ain't no party like a firestorm party

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:31, Reply)

Hiroshima '45. You had to be there, man.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:41, Reply)

"I was blown away" - Paul Ross

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:42, Reply)

"Drop Da Bomb!" - Tim Westwood

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

You've fucking done it again!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

sorry
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:48, Reply)

fuggedaboudid

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:48, Reply)

Partying like it's 1999. Degrees.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:45, Reply)

I thought there were only 3

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

alright HJ

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:37, Reply)

I am tip fucking top today.
Good weekend all round actually. And now a four day week.

*does a little dance*

*makes a little love*

*gets down tonight*
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:44, Reply)

+s

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:45, Reply)

I have a two day week
*flicks Vs*
( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

^ typical frog striker ^

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:46, Reply)

Leave frogs alone!

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:47, Reply)

Oh, and next Friday I'm going on holiday.

( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:48, Reply)

i wanna go on holioday : (

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:50, Reply)

f f f f f f Chris Waddle

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:51, Reply)

But I am going to California for three weeks
*flick v's*

Enjoy Pontins in Great Yarmouth.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:53, Reply)

5.9.83.79/questions/offtopic/post2061679
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:54, Reply)

The only thing I know about California, is that it knows how to party.
*Vocoder*Knows how to party!
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 10:01, Reply)

I'm going to the Lake District, then Scotland, then back to the Lake District and then Wales.
Lots of driving, which I'm looking forward to. Should be fun!
( Kroney, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 10:13, Reply)

NEW THREAD

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:58, Reply)

Hello Monty.
Agree with you about weapons.
All wars should be restricted to hand to hand combat with knives as the most sophisticated armoury. As soon as you can't look in the eyes of your enemy you give less and less of a shit about his life. If you can kill him without seeing him at all it may as well be on xBox.
( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Tue 27 Aug 2013, 10:03, Reply)