Cannabis goes back to class B today
What are your thoughts? A good move or a bad one?

Personally I think it will tie up police resources and time prosecuting people for something that is _largely_ harmless. Sensationalist headline-grabbing Daily Mail-satisfying policy making.

Discuss.
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:34, 51 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

You are wrong on the internet!
Somebody call the police!

*tokes*
( Bert Monkeysex is waiting for the mods to delete him, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:35, Reply)

I agree
Legalise it, tax it.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:41, Reply)

Class A, class B, class C.....
Meh. Classification never bothered me in the days when you could be (and were!) prosecuted for the amount the police could find in the nail groove of a penknife, doesn't bother me now.

If you want to see fucked-up people who really shouldn't take mood-altering substances, spend a Saturday night in a casualty dept, then ask your stoner friends how many fights THEY get into/dodgy women they've impregnated/self harm they've done BECAUSE they're stoned.

You'd be amazed!
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:41, Reply)

Meh,
Who cares?

The police don't do fuck all, even when you're the victim. So whether it'll keep more of them away from talking down to worried relatives I guess. But hey, it was only an assault, not worth their tea going cold, eh?
(Ethelred is watching cheese grow, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:43, Reply)

As much as I love
the occasional fat doob stuffed with fucked-up skunk...

My long-term experience with weed indicates quite a contribution to continued mental illness. To the point where I've had to effectively quit and only have a smoke occasionally.

I think this reclassification sends the right message to future generations. It won't make a difference now - maybe in fifteen years time.

I'd have been happy for it to remain Class C if it was just resin and bog-standard green - the only things we could get fifteen years ago when I started - but some of these modern strains have fucking mental highs, considerably more powerful than old-school shit.

So yes, I think there should be tougher curbs on the headfuck monster skunk.

Not that it'll make much of a difference really.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:44, Reply)

But surely
legalisation, regulation and government warnings a la cigarette packets would be a better route to controlling the super high grade stuff?

Driving things underground doesn't kill them off. Look at prohibition in America. Only teaching abstinence in sex education. The 'war on drugs' Britain and America have spent billions pursuing over the last few years that hasn't made a blind bit of difference to the availability of any illegal substance. None of these have exactly been a roaring success!

I fully appreciate that some people are affected mentally by smoking weed, but it has been fairly conclusively proven that there is no causal link, although it can be a trigger for those already predisposed towards certain types of mentalness.

As pointed out above, alcohol causes far more problems. And alcohol is much more likely to make your problems impact on others, whereas our right to destroy our own minds if we want to is something that we could legitimately claim a right to.

[not belittling your opinions or anything, I'm just trying to start another interesting debate!]
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:51, Reply)

Legalise the lot.
And tax according to effect.

Cannabis beer?
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:57, Reply)

For what its worth...
... I think that cannabis has its place for some people. For most, it just turns them into crushing bores.

I'd legalise everything. That way it can be properly regulated, the price would not be inflated (therefore with fewer social problems here), the growers in Afghanistan or wherever would get a better price (and so would be able to make a decent living), and addiction could be treated as the health problem and social problem that it is, rather than a problem that it needn't be.

I stand by my point about dope and crushing bores, though.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 10:57, Reply)

I'd like to think it doesn't turn me into a crushing bore
I at least manage to make good music!

the class change won't make any difference. it didn't make any difference when it changed to C, and it seems unlikely that it will make any difference when it changes back to B.

With regard to the mental illness stuff, Sam has the right of it. I've known several people who have had mental illness triggered or made worse by smoking cannabis. But then I know some whose problems have been made better.

I also know far more people who smoke heavily and who quietly and competantly carry out their lives and jobs with no ill effects whatsoever. Can't say the same for booze.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:03, Reply)

Skunk
Is too strong now. Its messes your head up. Its the equivalent of drinking absynthe as your drink of choice - that would just mess you right up. They talk about all the mental illness from weed and I think its down to the fact they've engineered some mutant strain that is too strong. I don't think it should be openly legalized, but it would be nice to be able to grow a small amount for personal use.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:05, Reply)

I hear you.
Believe me, I've generally been on that side of the fence for the past fifteen years.

My view's changed polarity over the past couple of years because I can't believe that such a fantastic drug doesn't have its side-effects. It's apparently not chemically addictive, but my god it's definitely habit-forming and I firmly believe, from experience, that you can become psychologically dependent on it. While not necessarily having the mental impact that chemical addiction has, it has other effects on self-esteem, motivation, general mental clarity etc.

No, not everyone who smokes will go down this path. But stronger strains, greater availability and cheaper prices give younger people access to fantastic drugs - people whose minds haven't finished developing yet. And I'm not sure anyone can claim that's a good thing.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:05, Reply)

Bring on the Daily Mail
For starters, cannabis is not stronger now than it was "back in the good old days". That was a completely bent statistic that compared the weakest resin in the 60s to the strongest grass available now.

Secondly, there is absolutely no causal link between cannabis and developing schizophrenia, though, as someone pointed out, it can enhance the problem in those people who already suffer.

Thirdly, as Enzyme points out, it turns a large number of people into very dull company.

There are more important things to worry about.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:06, Reply)

To pick up on the points made by No3L and Enzyme
We legalised alcohol. Once you're over the age of 18, you can buy drinks which range from anywhere between 2 and 100% ABV, and all commercial breweries and distilleries are subject to rigorous quality control standards. And, of course, the alcohol industry has long been a substantial pillar of this country's economy.

One of the reasons it's illegal to distil your own booze because of the risks posed to yourself and anyone else who drinks it.

Basically, we've tried to create a safe environment for people to legally enjoy alcohol if they choose to do so.

Now, if No3L's point is true about the stuff you get these days being mind-blowingly strong and being connected with mental illness: why not do the same with Cannabis? For those people who really want to smoke it, why not legalise packets of the stuff which have been subjected to the same screening as our booze? People are going to go for the stuff anyway, so we could at least let them enjoy it safely and all the other institutions (as listed by Enzyme) benefit accordingly.

(As long as they can go and do it without boring the bollocks off the rest of us about it. But then I suppose the local drunkard becomes very dull company after a while.)
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:10, Reply)

No3L
I can also testify that it's habit forming!

I don't really mind my habit too much though. keeps me off the streets.

I'd agree with Al too. I've been smoking for probably 15 years and haven't noticed any particular increase in strength. Occasionally you'll get a batch that blows your mind, but I'm not fond of that stuff.

@wanksock: that's not the case at all. and if you find that it is, just put less in the joints. it's a pretty simple thing to do.

same as drinking beer or spirits. most people don't drink vodka by the pint because it's much stronger....
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:10, Reply)

It is definitely habit forming, although psychologically rather than physically
I've smoked it more or less every day for ten years, and I go to pieces without it! I'm also not sure about this statistic that it's getting stronger; some studies seem to indicate it is, some not - but in the 60s I don't think any of it was grown hydroponically, and that certainly makes it stronger.

On the age thing No3L, surely that's another argument for legalisation though? Shops are much more likely to ask for ID (I get asked for ID for alcohol every bloody time I buy it!) than are drug dealers. It would perhaps make it harder for younger people to get hold of it.

I'm with Enzyme in that I think all drugs should be legalised, and the problems they may cause dealt with separately. It's a simple chain of logic in my mind:

Doing heroin - fine, you're not harming anyone but yourself, and it should be up to you to choose your leisure activities.

Robbing grannies to pay for said heroin - not cool, and obviously so. But why demonise the drug rather than the robbing?

Does anyone else remember a study into heroin that came out a few years ago? They found large amounts of professional people holding down well-paid white collar jobs who took heroin to unwind at the weekends. They all held down their jobs, turned up every day, and chose to spend some of their hard-earned on a mind-bending substance. Who's the victim in that scenario? The study caused a lot of controversy at the time for going against the generally accepted 'wisdom'.

The comparisons with alcohol are interesting - if alcohol was discovered/invented today it would definitely be a class A drug. The reasons behind it being legal are largely historical (i.e. everyone knows how to make it, so criminalising it would only lead to lost revenue. See America's failed experiment in the 1920s).
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:18, Reply)

"Super strong strains"
Hmmmmm. I'd like to see the statistics. As I've been a "stoner" for over 30 years I've seen the strength argument wax and wane for years. No proof either way.
The only thing I've really seen a difference in is the regularity and ease of supply, there's very rarely a drought nowadays and the quality and price have stayed about stable.

I'll finish with a quote from the late, great Bill Hicks.

......"I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day.”

YMMV
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:19, Reply)

Weed might not be getting stronger
but the more potent stuff is considerably more available than it was fifteen years ago.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:19, Reply)

@al
I'm not sure I agree with your point about comparative potency. For sure, some weed's stronger than other weed. But the incentive for growers and buyers is to favour the stronger over the weaker and thus selectively to breed only the stronger. After all, whereas alcohol serves a social function beyond getting twatted, and so can support a market for weaker booze, that's not so clearly the case with dope. Most of the time, that's smoked for the sake of getting boxed.

The schizophrenia point's interesting, since it plays into a public perception that schizophrenia makes you dangerous, which it plainly doesn't in the vast majority of cases. I'd hazard a guess that there's a good number of schizophrenics (allowing that we can agree on a meaning for the word "schizophrenia" in the first place) are never diagnosed because the condition doesn't make enough of an impact on their lives; of those who are, most just get on with it and lead a fairly reassuringly unremarkable life for most of the time.

Now, it might be that some people are better off without dope - but that's just trivially true.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:20, Reply)

@ vipros
Maybe its the chemical reaction I have to skunk, but even if I smoke a small amount it makes me feel slightly paranoid. I know i'm not the only one of my friends who have this. Smoke something like thai sticks or most of the varieties we have in SA and its not the same. There is something about the skunk in the UK that sets it apart from the others imo.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:20, Reply)

Total waste of time,
I have no idea why the government is spending time on this rather than other more important things.

I haven't smoked weed for months I'm tempted to go buy some now so I can screw the government statistics
(PsychoChomp, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:27, Reply)

@ Enzyme
Interestingly, although some people may breed for strength, the prevailing characteristic favoured by a large part of the market (at the growing end rather than the consumer) is speed of growth. If you use a strain that will flower and bud in 44 days (the so called 'top 44') rather than 60, it obviously massively increases the throughput of your growing operation. Lots and lots of that sort of stuff about, stereotypically grown by Vietnamese gangs.

And I thought that it was schizoid type mental disorders that it could trigger, not schizophrenic. (I'm not a psychologist but they are completely different, although commonly confused because of the similarity in the name)

@ wanksock - yes, your brain seems to be one of those wired in such a manner that it does play with your head. Personally it doesn't affect me in that way, although I'm not going to use that as evidence to say that everyone will be fine. And I fully agree with your point about hydroponically grown skunk being stronger than bush weed grown outdoors in the sun, which is what I'm guessing you're referring to. Personally I prefer smoking the high grade, but everyone's different.
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:29, Reply)

Schizoid/ schizophrenic
You're possibly right - but the principle stands.

As for strength vs speed: well, OK. But a fast-growing strong variety'll be more attractive to a fast-growing weak variety, won't it?

I'm genuinely pleading ignorance on this...
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:34, Reply)

Yep
But presumably the strength takes a hit when you breed for fast growth. And if you're in it purely for money then this would be more attractive than growing the most potent shit you possibly could.

In a lot of areas of the country this weaker, often poorly dried stuff is what's more easily available. Getting stuff that's been grown and dried properly is usually more difficult.
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 11:45, Reply)

I've got some good stuff at the moment ;-)
Captain Placid: that is my favourite Bill Hicks quote. He knew what he was talking about.

Wanksock: I've known at least one person to react pretty badly. Pretty unfortunate. He was practically tripping for 2 days.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 12:11, Reply)

Spin Doctor, Spin!
This is the biggest non-issue since the Brand/Ross twaddle. It is the Labour party trying to grab some of the Mail/Express vote by pandering to idiots. If they had any sense they might want to consider why ketamine is still on a lower class.

As with any drug, it is about dosage. With skunk you do not need a lot of it and it amazes me to see people rolling massive 'fatty-boom-batty's' when a pinch in a pipe will do the trick.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 12:12, Reply)

DrT
I agree with you and I've deliberately cut down hugely on the amount I load in my reefers with the only effect being that I can still function after a few, and it's saving me a dickload of money!

The trouble with a pipe is that a large part of the pleasure of smoking pot for me is the ritual of rolling a fine joint, sparking it up and passing it round.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 12:14, Reply)

@Vipros
yeah I remember the joy of the ritual - we used to be competitive, my mates and I. I gave up the weed as it made me even more lazy and useless than I already am.

I'm a wino these days and a connoisseur at that. I get through two bottles most evenings and I hold down a job, friends, relationship etc.

It can be done.

It costs me about nearly E150 p/w though which is a bit much.

If I go out, it's even more.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 12:53, Reply)

ouch
I don't drink all that much, and the pot costs about £20 every couple of weeks, which is perfectly acceptable in my book!
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:02, Reply)

Yeah, Ive just thought about that
That's a lot of cash.

I've started ordering wine by the case online - we'll see if that helps.

Hm, I'm an alcoholic.

Ah well.

*clink*
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:09, Reply)

The ritual.
100% agreed. I sometimes roll one up and then have a pipe instead. It fills the void in a dry wank sort of way.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:24, Reply)

@Baz
I generally get through nearly 2 bottles of wind in an evening but I only drink every other evening. I keep thinking I should cut down, especially when I read what I wrote on the internet the night before.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:52, Reply)

"2 bottles of wind"?
You should probably get that seen to...
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:56, Reply)

yeah, cutting down...
I generally give my liver one day off per week but it isn't easy. I love drinking.

I have decided to try to keep it to one bottle per night.

We've turned this into "happy-alcoholics-not-that-anonymous-really"

"One day at a time, sweet cheebus..."
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 13:57, Reply)

baz,
you're not an alcoholic.

They go to meetings.
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:00, Reply)

oh, I've been...
those people are quitters!

AA-goers are mostly people who have fucked up their lives - people who havent learned to structure their lives around drinking as opposed to having your life ruled by drinking.

There's a difference :)
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:05, Reply)

Ah, now there's another counterargument
I can use when people tell me I drink too much. (Cataleptic at two consecutive department xmas parties and counting...)

Speaking of which, E150 p/w on wine sounds like you must be enjoying some half-decent stuff. What's your normal tipple of an evening?
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:14, Reply)

Whilst not militantly 'old world', I certainly prefer:
French: Pinot Noir, St Emilion, Vacqueyras, Lirac - the chateauneuf du pape has been shit recently and those two last lads are it's classier cousins in my opinion. If the budget will stretch or a bargain can be found, a Nuits Saint Georges is yer only man. Try also 'Chateau Loudenne' from the Medoc - it's exquisite. My favourite is a pure Grenache though if you can find it. I got some in Provence earlier this year. Fab!

Italian: Primitivo, Barolo, Masi, the occasional Montepulciano D'Abruzzo and a Chianti as long as it's 'appelation controlle' or whatever the Italian equivalent is and 'reserva'.

Spanish: Decent Tempranillo, Rioja, 'Gran Sangre De Toro' - need to learn more about Spain actually. Their 'Garnacha' can be decent.

The Chileans do a decent cab sauv or merlot if you're stuck. Try also the 'Carmenere' - I read it's a distant cousin of the Merlot grape and the Chileans are claiming it as their own.

The Argentinians do a decent Malbec.

The Yanks do a decent Zinfandel.

The Kiwis and Rumanians both do a half-decent Pinot Noir.

I'm not a ponce, honest. I'm as working class as they come. :)


EDIT: A personal rule of thumb is to avoid blends as much as possible. Sometimes it works but only if they've been doing it for generations IMO.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:25, Reply)

Nothing wrong with knowing your wine
Having been a real ale bore for several years, I feel that the next logical step is to get to know my wine to the same slightly-trainspotterish extent. Though clearly I've got a lot to learn. (I think it's Denominazione Origine Controll..something - DOC at any rate - for Italian plonk. I suspect Grenache and Garnacha may be the same grape type, but I've never been sure. Certainly never tried the Spanish one)
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:29, Reply)

Yeah, it's as if savouring the booze mitigates the alcoholism
I dont subscribe to the theory that certain foods should only be eaten with white or red. I love me grub and can whip up a decent meal.

In fact, all of the above are reds.

Truly great whites can mostly be found in the ocean (ba-doom tish!) but on a hot day, an icy cold white rioja is yer only man and the white 'Chateauneuf Du Pape' is something to be experienced. I cant stand sweet stuff.

Further to above, the Aussies are rip-off bastards and charge a fortune (maybe it's the importation costs) for stuff which you can buy from France for cheaper that tastes better.

The Germans are philistines when it comes to vine growing.

Grenache and Garnacha are the same.

As is Shiraz and Syrah (both of which if unblended can be decent).
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:34, Reply)

Primitivo
I'm quite a fan of these after my old man introduced me a little while ago.

white: has to be chablis. if it doesn't taste and feel like it's made of steel then I don't want to drink
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:36, Reply)

@ Vipros
Yay for Primitivo!

I'm getting six of these delivered today:

www.obrienswine.ie/groups.aspx?productid=07WITA028&groupid=36

Reasonably priced as well, I think you'll agree.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:38, Reply)

very nice
I've had to curtail my spending on quality wines recently. In fact, I can't remember the last time I bought a bottle.

This may have something to do with the topic of the original post here though ;-)

I've been enjoying the beers of south america recently. Cusquena is my current favourite.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:46, Reply)

ah, yes, beer!
I think we have a better choice of beer in off-licences in Ireland. There are lots of Russian, Czech and Polish beers readily available as well as Japanese and Chinese but they are pitched as gourmet beers and often priced accordingly.

Ireland is a rip-off though which is why half the country is up North every weekend emptying out Sainsburys in a bid to rescue your economy. :) Your welcome! haha!

South American beer, I have not seen.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 14:54, Reply)

South American stuff is worth checking out
Brahma and Cusquena are the highlights.

I've had a Russian beer called Baltika which comes in pint bottles and is strong and delicious, but I've only ever been able to find it in our local discount booze emporium (Beer Box) and it tends to be out of date or have something else wrong with it. But it is cheap as fuck and delicious.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:01, Reply)

ah, yes, "cheap" -
Unfortunately, in Ireland, we no longer understand the meaning of the word.

EVERYTHING is a rip-off.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:02, Reply)

that's a shame
as it puts me off going back, even though it's been great when I've been over.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:07, Reply)

well, if you do, and this goes for all b3tans, let me know
and I'll show you a few tricks for not getting robbed blind.
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:16, Reply)

that would be grand
can't see me being able to afford to go anywhere in the near future though.

my big holiday this year is to Cornwall. for a week.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:24, Reply)

Super Strong
Does anyone else do what I do and just put LESS into a joint.

I still have quite a mellow high without getting blasted.

If you ask me the 'super strains' just make it more cost effective. Less to use = more spliffs for your Henry!!
(never-right -getting it wrong since '78, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:35, Reply)

never-right
you are bang on the money. it was quite an effort to force myself to do it, but it's paid off.

and it has saved me a lot of money.

If I ask a mate to skin up though I have to make a point of telling them not to pack it to their usual standard.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 15:42, Reply)

I've not read through all the replies..
..because this is a subject I've gone over internally many a time and considered from just about every which way. Plus it's kind of boring when just about every major newspaper makes a reference to the issue every day.

As a diagnosed "schizophrenic", one of the guys at the forefront of the supposed OMGKILLERSKUNKISGOINGTOMAKEYOUSPAZ demographic..

I've been smoking for 8 years, most days, with little ill effect. Certainly less than with alcohol. Oh yeah, it can make you paranoid. All tokers know that. But the thing is, that paranoia is something that came from within the toker first, just like the arguments and fights that result from alcohol use are not a sole product of the alcohol (although the vicious hangovers are).

In a way I sit on the fence. I recognise that a bit of weed can feed into my paranoia, just as I well know that at the right moment it can eleviate anxiety, and I'm not sure I make too much distinction between paranoia and anxiety - it's a tricky subject.

The fact remains that I acquired my diagnosis some time before trying illegal drugs, and that the rate of schizophrenia in the general population has changed negligeably since pot became popular. Pin-pointing the cause of chizophrenia has proved extremely hard over the years, no matter what the currently fashionable scapegoat.

Then, as a supporter of more lenient laws where "mental illness" is involved anyway, I support the legalisation of cannabis, all the while fully awake to the fact that I should smoke less. Just as I should drink less. But I haven't been psychotic since put on medication, the one thing that works wonders.

And don't get me started on the "new super mind-crushing evilness" vs "hippy mellow just-a-bit-of-grass man" debate. All weed can be as enjoyable as it can fuck you up. The new stuff's a bit stronger (about twice as strong in terms of THC content I think) but it all gets you high.. people who weild this argument are no better than the boring stoners who go on about how "this shit smells quite interesting - fruity" or "man this is almost as good as the stuff my mate smuggled back from india under his armpit".

Digging into scientific studies on the internet there's a bit of interesting evidence (a few decent studies with double-blind standards by major universities) that cannabidiol, the "secondary active constituent" of cannabis, works just as well as the anti-psychotic I take at treating psychosis, without the side-effects.

There's a lot more evidence that smoking weed has a mood stablising effect on manic-depressives.

But, yes, it can be fucking boring. Everything in moderation.

^the above written by a schizophrenic on four spliffs
(raymond "three griddle pans" luxury yacht lovin' the christmas action, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 20:58, Reply)