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I will always ask first, as that's the polite thing to do
I always get the same bullshit reply, so my next move is to book the holiday and the time off and tell her I've done it. And tell the kid.

It's then up to her mum if she wants to tell her that she can't go, and why that is. Worst case I go away on my own, but her mum doesn't have it in her to actually deny the girl a holiday, she just wants to fuck me about
(, Thu 8 Feb 2018, 10:26, archived)