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# The democracies needed the Soviets to beat the Nazis
then they needed the Mujahideen to beat the Soviets

Now they need to clean up the remnants of the Mujahideen

It's a process.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:35, archived)
# and where do you imagine this process will get us?
(asciifaceofbob bob bob bob bob bob bob bob, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:36, archived)
# Closer to a better world, over time
-- unless you think having Nazis and Soviets and fanatics all over the place is a good thing.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:37, archived)
# It's phrases like, "Closer to a better world"
that scare me the most..

I wonder who it will be better for?
(asciifaceofbob bob bob bob bob bob bob bob, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:39, archived)
# Liberal democracies with human rights
like the US, the UK (currently not under Nazi management, thanks to the aforementioned US), Canada, Australia, France (see UK), Germany (see UK), Japan, etc, etc, etc.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:42, archived)
# one can only hope
(asciifaceofbob bob bob bob bob bob bob bob, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:46, archived)
# this is where it all falls down.
Who is this better world for? For you? Does this better world include our Muslim brothers without hate or prejudice. Capitalist democracy is no better than fascist dictatorship. It's still an extreme that is being forced upon people.
(I helped save b3ta! Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:47, archived)
# Nonsense.
Capitalist democracy is absolutely better than fascist dictatorship.

Why aren't the ovens full of gassed Muslims? Why aren't you in a concentration camp for questioning society?

Because you live in a capitalist democracy, not a fascist or communist dictatorship.

You can even leave if you want to. Nothing is being forced on you.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:50, archived)
# Zoot has a point
When we vote in (assuming the election isn't distorted in any way)a leader or a government, they can then do whatever they feel like for a period of time, whether we like it or not. In this respect there is little difference.
(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:54, archived)
# No man has
right to decide the way another man should live his life. The moment that imposition is made then it is wrong.
Democracy is the same as religion. When you are firmly ensconced in it you are unable and unwilling to look outside the box and feel obligated to force your ideas on others. People, governments and countries should just leave others to live their lives.Terrorism happens for a reason, we have had it in the UK for over a hundred years, I've fought on the front line of that war. instead of killing people for protesting in the strongest way possible and therefore breeding new insurgents, governments should look to themselves and fix the problems in themselves that caused the acts of terror in the first place.
The UK took a very, very long time to learn this lesson, I hope others can do it quicker.
(I helped save b3ta! Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:02, archived)
# one little naive question
I forgot , Isn't gasing (still..) the speciality of some states of "the land of freedom"...? sorry you're right, capitalism is not despotic ...
(dreadful.the.great, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:39, archived)
# on that note
isn't the Guantanamo Bay facility a bit like a concentration camp?

*coughs*abu gharib*coughs*
(asciifaceofbob bob bob bob bob bob bob bob, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:51, archived)
# maybe not
because I don't think women are allowed in guantanamo...
(dreadful.the.great, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:53, archived)
# Liberal?
Isn't that a dirty word in North America?
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 23 Sep 2005, 13:05, archived)