Well you obviously like the bloke and you're in the company of Margaret Thatcherbut none the less no matter how you put your edge to his views - he was a right wing twunt who did nothing to help cultural intergration. Many immigrants were used as nothing more than cheap labour well after Enoch Powell's time and from the very foundations of the Rivers of Blood speech the likes of the National Front and the British Movement sprang up - so don't try to persuade me he was a jolly good ol' chap who was misunderstood!
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:24,
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clearly we have different views on the subjectand don't get me started about the BNP and the NF, I am fully aware of the evils that they do. Once again, reading what they want to from that speech.
I don't like Enoch Powell especially, I just don't see him as being in any way comparable with the scaremongering of the Daily Mail, or indeed in any way related to the extreme right movement of today or the past.
Which was my only comment in this thread to start with.
(I don't like Enoch Powell especially, I just don't see him as being in any way comparable with the scaremongering of the Daily Mail, or indeed in any way related to the extreme right movement of today or the past.
Which was my only comment in this thread to start with.
mr horrible up yours, dickface,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:28,
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I'm not sure you should rely too muchupon wikipedia for fuelling your internet debates.
Especially not when you want to discuss Enoch Powell who regardless of your image of him and even regardless of his one famous speech, was an extreme far right racist. And I mean racist in the dictionary term and not in the manner that is is bandied about today by people more ignorant that you could make them believe.
(Especially not when you want to discuss Enoch Powell who regardless of your image of him and even regardless of his one famous speech, was an extreme far right racist. And I mean racist in the dictionary term and not in the manner that is is bandied about today by people more ignorant that you could make them believe.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:38,
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^ this. With more gilding and brass knobs on thanI'm currently able to afford.
Well said, sir.
(Well said, sir.
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 21:08,
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That I agree with you aboutit doesn't bear comparison to The Daily Mail's simplistic demagogy purely to sell their papers based upon people's fears. And yes the Right Wing Extremeist did take the Powel speech out of context. But Enoch Powell did himself no favours by throwing a bone to those dogs - speaking of Rivers of Blood and Floods of Immigrants is always going to be used by the demagogues!
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This is interesting; from the rivers of blood wikipedia entry:Powell defended his speech on 4 May through an interview for the Birmingham Post: "What I would take 'racialist' to mean is a person who believes in the inherent inferiority of one race of mankind to another, and who acts and speaks in that belief. So the answer to the question of whether I am a racialist is 'no'—unless, perhaps, it is to be a racialist in reverse. I regard many of the peoples in India as being superior in many respects—intellectually, for example, and in other respects—to Europeans. Perhaps that is over-correcting."
The attraction of wankers such as the National Front to his speech was unfortunate, but ultimately highlights Mr horrible's original statement above about filth like the Daily Mail
(The attraction of wankers such as the National Front to his speech was unfortunate, but ultimately highlights Mr horrible's original statement above about filth like the Daily Mail
Jahled Three shades of black,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:35,
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racistis not meant as a blanket term for those who feel superior to everyone not of their race.
A racist can quite easily choose to be selective in his choice of which man is less worthy.
Powell was very clearly intolerant of West Indians or ( wide-grinning piccaninnies as he is on record as calling them, something he attempted to sue newspapers over but later dropped because he had not a shred of evidence for his feeble excuse of "quoting a constituent")
Like many of the right of his day. They were happy that the 'Windrush' folk saved Britain from economic meltdown after the war but come the late 60's when it was all fixed again they found it distasteful to have 'these people' having the same right to the same benefits as 'us people'.
(A racist can quite easily choose to be selective in his choice of which man is less worthy.
Powell was very clearly intolerant of West Indians or ( wide-grinning piccaninnies as he is on record as calling them, something he attempted to sue newspapers over but later dropped because he had not a shred of evidence for his feeble excuse of "quoting a constituent")
Like many of the right of his day. They were happy that the 'Windrush' folk saved Britain from economic meltdown after the war but come the late 60's when it was all fixed again they found it distasteful to have 'these people' having the same right to the same benefits as 'us people'.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 20:10,
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