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[challenge entry] Little bit o' politics, yes indeedy

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(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:18, archived)
# that would make the nips laugh like a loon!
8¬D
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:19, archived)
# A roon?
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:24, archived)
# Good point.
In America, freedom includes the freedom to criticise the government, and even the freedom to burn the flag.

Whereas in unfree countries you can't do either of these things.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:25, archived)
# Theoretically.
Not for want of trying on the Bush administration's part.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:30, archived)
# And in practice as well.
Ever seen this thing called the Internet? Lots of criticism there, and on the media, and in street demos ...

The Bush Administration has done extremely little (almost nothing) to limit expression. They muttered a bit about making flag-burning illegal, but didn't actually do anything.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:33, archived)
# Yes, they did.
They just didn't manage to get the bill passed.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:35, archived)
# then apparently it's not just
'theoretical' freedom of speech.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:49, archived)
# They would have had to change the Constitution
and they would never have got support for that. So freedom to express yourself, including burning the flag, is reasonably well entrenched.

Unfortunately, there are still some areas where freedom of speech doesn't count as much -- like pornography, which somehow manages to get excluded from the First Amendment.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:52, archived)
# Ever seen "The American President"?
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:52, archived)
# no.

I get most of information from books and
magazines.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:57, archived)
# Yes
this thing called the internet?

It's not part of america.

edit/ although, it's not like some people act like it is
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:40, archived)
# It was invented by Americans
and it contains more criticism of the US and its government than you could read in ten lifetimes.

That's freedom of expression, that is.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:47, archived)
# I have been reliably informed it wasn't.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:53, archived)
# you shouldn't believe everything
you read in The Sun.
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 15:08, archived)
# um...
the Internet is just the underlying infrastructure, growing out of the original arpanet, and was indeed a product primarily of americans in the early years, however citizens of many other countries also made significant contributions to the protocols that make it work

being a communications network the 'Internet' however does not contain information of much interest to most people, it is the systems connected to it that do that

information is commonly made available on this infrastructure and others via the systems that are part of the world wide web, which was not invented by americans, but by a british chap called tim berners-lee (now sir tim and surely a candidate for a b3ta interview), in europe, at cern
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 15:38, archived)
# actually
the press was much more suppresed by
Lincoln and Wilson. Lincoln was a
lawyer and knew better, and so was
Wilson. Both considered
it expedient.

and now they are icons
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 14:43, archived)
# Hmmmm...
Presumably this includes publication of the proceedings of the government?

www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2135483/galloway-senate-testimony-pdf-goes-awol

Hmmmm.....
(, Sun 22 May 2005, 15:25, archived)