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# obviously not doing it right then!
(I helped save b3ta! new_matt, Wed 20 Nov 2002, 13:26, archived)
# Depends on your definition of pain
and the pain of the birth is worth it for the gas and air - marvellous stuff!!
(I helped save b3ta! Jadeviper was still alive on, Wed 20 Nov 2002, 13:31, archived)