they're the kind of thing
that one's father would say was punk.

what what.
( Spunky McPunk the awkward moment when you [dull anecdote], Thu 20 Dec 2007, 12:24, archived)

No, live they came pretty hardcore back in the day
definately kind of poppy but there was a snarl to them.
( hanke murphy, I'm a mess, Thu 20 Dec 2007, 12:27, archived)