So if not bombing
then... what? What's the alternative?
Doing nothing seems to have done nothing.
Diplomacy seems to have done nothing.
Sanctions seem to have done nothing.
Threats of intervention have done nothing.
And the shithole festers and the refugees keep arriving.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 12:20,
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But my point is - bombing will only exasperate the problem - but bringing in more recruits and make us a bigger target.
If we have to take military action, then at least troops on the ground where we have a chance of actually eliminating them accurately.
Also, freeze their assets, and access their computer systems.
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Foreign troops arriving and telling people how to run their lives aren't going to be as welcome as you might think. Afghanistan and Iraq are the poster boys for exactly how that can pan out.
There's enough forces engaged on the ground at the moment. Let's act as air support for them and help them fight their own war rather than do it for them. Then by all means send peacekeepers in afterwards like we did in the Balkans.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 13:02,
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"freeze their assets, and access their computer systems."
That means sanctions against Saudi Arabian and Turkey...
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Getting a bit tricky now
I say just bomb the rampaging beast in plain sight now, we can assess where it came from afterwards
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Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 13:26,
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Let's not bomb Syria but put troops on the ground?
That's not especially joined up thinking.
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How about:
Surround them. Declare a five mile DMZ around some part of Syria and denote it "ISISland". Let them get up to whatever horrible bastardry they want inside their lovely Caliphate. Let anyone who likes go in. Regular air drops of food and medical supplies. Burn anything - anything at all - that tries to get out. And if ISIS carry out an attack anywhere else in the world, reduce the entire place to a pool of radioactive glass.
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IS would just stay safely hidden among the civilian population.
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tickle I was away, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 15:16,
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I genuinely think propaganda and education is the strongest weapon here
Cue abuse
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HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 13:02,
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I agree
Ultimately its a battle of mindsets and that can only be won on a generational timescale. In the meantime though, you've got a problem that needs to be solved a lot quicker than that.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 13:10,
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which is what the secret services are doing a brilliant job of diffusing and preventing
The Paris horrors were obviously a terrible thing, but blowing up a country in wild retaliation will just result in more dead innocents and angry relatives.
A vicious circle that only benefits the governments selling guns and fear or the dictators causing the unrest that we fund in the first place.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 14:18,
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On the long term; YES
But in the short term, the Kurds are fighting and dying right now.
I don't think ISIS would agree to a 3 to 5 year truce while we get this education thing going.
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if the kurds are fighting and dying right now shouldn't the UK be pressuring it's NATO ally Turkey to stop bombing them?
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tickle I was away, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 15:17,
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We try, but the Turkish prez is blind on a power trip.
So blind that he has kicked the sleeping bear: Russia.
In the balls.
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what sanctions?
They're getting money and guns and people from somewhere. the money is Saudi money, the guns are Saudi guns and the porous border that people have entered Syria through is Turkey's. These are our allies in the region and they are arming and funding daesh.
What sort of military strategy ignores funding streams and supply lines?
The non-military options have barely been explored let alone tried.
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tickle I was away, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 15:12,
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Weren't you paying attention?
www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctions-on-syria
It's the first result on Google, but I'm sure you did your own research.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 15:30,
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I think Corbyn said we should arrest them
and then put them on trial for being very naughty.
You know, like they did for that Hussein chap.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 15:44,
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You know what, that's it
We should just arrange with the Syrian government to send a couple of Met Officers over there, bring them back, and put them on trial at Woolwich Crown Court. Easy.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 16:21,
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How do you arrest a crazy person with an explosive belt and the plunger in his hand trembling in anger at you?
Darts with sleep serum?
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I am pretty sure most people being arrested don't want to be arrested
but maybe instead of Serum, put them to sleep with some kind of tedious petition?
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Sat 28 Nov 2015, 17:41,
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Hehehe
They are probably issuing a fatwa against this petition.
Right now.
It's THAT important.
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Same way an American Cop arrests anyone
Shoot him seven times in the back
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