The more I read these various posts, the more it seems we're all disagreeing whilst sharing the same viewpoint: Concealed carry is un-neccesary, unrestricted ownership unwise, club ownership acceptable, and historically firearm ownership has balanced (external?) opressive forces.

I think it's a right to own a gun, *if you're responsible*. You see, free speech can't kill someone if abused. A firearm can. And responsible ownership means responsible storage and handling, too.

Background checks are necessary - some people are simply unsuitable. Previous convictions for armed robbery being the clearest example; if they broke the law and endangered others, then they waive one of their rights in exchange for rights of society. People currently suffering certain health problems - like psychiatric disorders affecting impulse control and judgement.

And building on what MichaelS mentioned; Switzerland has seldom been threatened, even in WW2. Now why? Possibly it's becasue every dictator wants an anonymous account in case it all goes arse-up. Possibly it's fear of lederhosen, or fear of the people who would willingly wear them. Possibly it's to avoid all the bloody clocks, chocolate, and cheese.

Or just maybe it's becasue their society (and the landscape) makes an invasion a daunting prospect - there could be active resistance from every hamlet. And it's not just external threats, as far as I'm aware there's no swiss citizens in a swiss Guantanamo, held without charge. No opressive government - theres's no such thing as a Swiss asylum seeker.

As for domesitc shootings, if a possible intruder answers my challenge in a relative's voice; then that'll be a good enough clue for me of an invalid target. I don't intend to shoot at shadows - that would be part of the earlier responsibility I mentioned. This stuff could be taught prior to purchase, just as the military are trained to verify a target.

But all this debate is, in the end, meaningless. It won't alter anything. Can we end the great b3ta gun debate peacefully, and whilst respecting each others viewpoints?
(The Incredible Sulk Finally remembered his password on, Tue 10 Feb 2009, 13:40, 1 reply)

I think in reference to your final point
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(Bazongaloid, Tue 10 Feb 2009, 13:53, closed)

Touché!
Sometimes I debate a point without being sure I believe it myself. Thankyou, althegeordie and Musuko, for challenging my position.
(The Incredible Sulk Finally remembered his password on, Tue 10 Feb 2009, 17:22, closed)