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# It was the zero growth bit I was arguing with
There are more births than deaths in the UK
(I helped save b3ta! dirty barry, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:03, archived)
# you're right
what i was really meaning was that the birth rate is low, and that the proportion of older (hence retired) people is increasing significantly

i used the wrong term, which was confusing
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:08, archived)
# It doesn't say in your link
how much of that 2.5m increase is due to imigration though. Quite alot over the 20 years '81-'01 I would think.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:09, archived)
# not much really
there wasn't that much immigration in the twenty year period, 'cos there were realtively few humanitarian crises that people could escape to here from until near the end.
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:30, archived)
# Plenty of economic migration though.
And there are an awful lot of Somalians, Cosovans, Columbians, Indian Muslims and others who might disagree with your point there.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:33, archived)
# Yes it does:
"The growth in the population of the UK is mainly due to net natural change (more births than deaths). Natural change accounted for over 80 per cent of the total population change between 1981 and 2001. The rest of the population change is due to other changes. Although the main component of these other changes is net civilian migration, this is not the only component. "
(I helped save b3ta! dirty barry, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 13:14, archived)