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the water is dirty. Breast is best, etc etc. Although I think breast is certainly best.
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Thu 30 Nov 2006, 0:52,
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What they would need is a scheme to provide the information "don't give dirty water to babies". I was counting that scheme among free stuff.
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personally, I don't see the point in boycotting or slagging off Nestle or any of it's products. The way Nestle allegedly takes advantage of such lack of knowledge is a symptom of a problem, not a cause.
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point taken. Although what they need is a 'dont give your baby powdered milk unless you have trouble breastfeeding' info sheet
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its the taking away of free stuff. For example, water. Coke dig hundreds of feet deep to drain the water. The good stuff, but dont spare to think of the people who cant reach that far down.In nestles case they give away free powdered milk and encourage bottle feeding against breast feeding, approx 1.5 million children die a year (aledgidly) from this.
Anyway, Im not arguing, and I hate being preachy. But thanks for the point.
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Anyway, Im not arguing, and I hate being preachy. But thanks for the point.
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despite knowing that breast is best.
Please explain why the same indictment should not be levelled at them?
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Please explain why the same indictment should not be levelled at them?
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it really, really should (if breast actually is best, which it isn't, since some mothers prefer to bottle-feed for convenience, gasp, shocking un-natural behaviour). It should apply to the NHS, and *not* to Nestle.
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it has huge benefits to children, in the form of inherited antibodies.
Giving a mother in a maternity ward a bottle to give to her child discourages breast feeding.
This is not in the interests of the child's health.
So what we are saying is (and I know that in some instances there are issues which prevent breast feeding) the NHS encourages bottle feeding by giving powdered milk to lazy mothers who might otherwise have breast fed, and then removing the free supply, supporting the powdered milk industry?
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Giving a mother in a maternity ward a bottle to give to her child discourages breast feeding.
This is not in the interests of the child's health.
So what we are saying is (and I know that in some instances there are issues which prevent breast feeding) the NHS encourages bottle feeding by giving powdered milk to lazy mothers who might otherwise have breast fed, and then removing the free supply, supporting the powdered milk industry?
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but developed mastitis. The midwives still made her breastfeed, the bastards. She was in pain for days. So, what do you do, carry on, or go on the bottle?
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and that wasnt an option unfortunatly. Being young and naive, we followed orders, until the missus couldnt stand it any longer.
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Breast feeding is uncomfortable, but I am a man and don't have to put up with it.
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Honestly, the midwife never tried to cure it, just made her do it more.
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(depending on location)
Has 24/7 breastfeed support teams to encourage and help new mothers with breastfeeding.
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Has 24/7 breastfeed support teams to encourage and help new mothers with breastfeeding.
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Only that it's best. I hate it when doctors act as if the only concern anybody has in life is to be healthy. It's also unfair to call mothers lazy merely because they don't wish to be physically pinned to their children all through the day.
Yes, antibodies are nice, and useful, but so is freedom of movement. There are other desires a person may have which compete with living in absolute perfect health, or with the optimum health of their child.
Mountain biking - to take a random example - would probably be most healthy if performed at home, on an exercise machine. Reduced risk of broken bones.
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Yes, antibodies are nice, and useful, but so is freedom of movement. There are other desires a person may have which compete with living in absolute perfect health, or with the optimum health of their child.
Mountain biking - to take a random example - would probably be most healthy if performed at home, on an exercise machine. Reduced risk of broken bones.
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Anybody else still awake wins the argument. That probably means Manley. Oh well.
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I don't do those things now.
I don't like changing nappies, but I still did it.
I'd suggest (and mean) that if someone isn't prepared to care for their child in the best way that they can (and, again, I stress that there are situations where breast feeding is not an option) then maybe they should rethink breeding?
Mountain biking only hurts Manley.
Not wanting to feed the child properly is not in the same ball park.
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I don't like changing nappies, but I still did it.
I'd suggest (and mean) that if someone isn't prepared to care for their child in the best way that they can (and, again, I stress that there are situations where breast feeding is not an option) then maybe they should rethink breeding?
Mountain biking only hurts Manley.
Not wanting to feed the child properly is not in the same ball park.
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...is an absolutist and self-righteous mode of thought. Nothing is absolutely sacred, including children's perfect health.
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This isn't 'perfect' health, it's no different than continuing smoking through pregnancy because you like it.
Having to feed the kid is part of having it.
I am not sating that it is fair to call mothers lazy merely because they don't wish to be physically pinned to their children all through the day. - I wouldn't expect anyone to want that, but to not do it just because one doesn't want to is lazy.
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Having to feed the kid is part of having it.
I am not sating that it is fair to call mothers lazy merely because they don't wish to be physically pinned to their children all through the day. - I wouldn't expect anyone to want that, but to not do it just because one doesn't want to is lazy.
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I suppose I'd advise people to breast-feed because of the antibodies thing, and then accept it if they didn't want to; and the same goes for not smoking near the baby, too. I don't suppose you're saying these things should be made law, any more than I am. So we're essentially arguing about a matter of degree: how interfering and nagging we ought to be. My considered opinion is meh.
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Night.
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I looked into it a lot when there was the b3ta competition to slander coca cola for the benefit of Mark Thomas. The whole thing was heresay and deeply entangled with local politics, particularly to do with certain traditionalist Indian factions who are against modern things in general, and quite prepared to claim anything for leverage against change.
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just that, more often than not, smear campaigns are based upon lies bred by competitors with similar operating methods.
Mark Thomas pisses me off too.
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Mark Thomas pisses me off too.