Gah! Prager "University".
Also, note how, having said that to talk about ecology, you need to know some science, he then goes on to talk about moral duties without considering whether some philosophical training might help with that (around 3:10).
At 3:50, he opposes "science and logic" to "senseationalism, misinformation, and fear". But that's a false dichotomy. Science is neutral - it does nothing without an agenda - and the same applies to logic. Neither can dictate what ought to be done.
This is not meant as a blanket defence of Greenpeace: they're flat wrong on GM foods like golden rice, for example. But to say that the 2 million lives that could be saved don't matter to Greenpeace, and that their deaths aren't bad, is simply poisoning the well. All GP is saying is that this is not the way to save them. They may be wrong: but it makes more sense, and is much more dignified, to tackle them for what they do think than for what they don't.
In short, I call Troll on this.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:46,
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I called 'fuckwit' when he mentioned Vietnam as a reason for being radicalised
in an age when Communism was trying to impose itself on the world, and his reaction was to go about 'peace.'
That's when I stopped watching
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 9:53,
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Ah, yes.
Because there's no way at all that the Vietnam war was the result of Europeans and Americans imposing themselves on the world, is there?
That simply doesn't happen.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:16,
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A nice assessment of history, blame it on 'imperialism'
Anyway, enough bollocks on b3ta for today
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:22,
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I agree.
Your assessment - that it was all the fault of a few marauding Reds - is much more nuanced. I realise that now. Well done you.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:26,
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Totally writing some slashfiction about you & Jahled's barely-repressed-homoerotic interactions on here.
It's pretty sexy stuff.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:54,
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I think conscription into a regional conflict on the other side of the world with a massive casualty rate in order to halt an ideology
Protests against which were violently squashed including the shooting of unarmed students by the national guard.
Is possibly going to cause a little radicalisation.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:22,
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Moreover, as Jahled has so eloquently confirmed,
there is no way that European imperialism and American intervention had any ideological component. None at all.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:28,
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It's not even the real Patrick Moore!
Thanks for highlighting bullshit.
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SpunkyBackpack, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:18,
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that's exactly what I thought
Patrick Moore... Greenpeace? What? Oh.
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Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:50,
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Or
You could have just pointed out that he banded out a 2M figure without source/reference, straight after claiming GP resorts to hyperbole.
Edit: yeah, I fucked that one up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaBt_bXlXmk
We know.
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The lack of reference is a problem;
but though the 2m figure seems high, it's not completely crazy. Like, not orders-of-magnitude crazy. Vitamin A deficiency does have a high morbidity and mortality rate (mainly among infants) - and so while it probably doesn't kill 2m directly, that it might be a contributory factor to that many deaths isn't really hyperbolic.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:46,
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Not saying that
The figure is irrelevant, ANY figure is irrelevant, unless you provide source, no?
It grates on me he admonishes the lack of "science" while doing the exact same thing. Would have thought he'd be up on that.
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It could easily be relevant.
However, a source (or some account of how the figure was derived) would make it more credible.
It'd be fallacious to think that a source is necessary for relevance, though.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:56,
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Again I'm not saying that.
I wouldn't be surprised at that figure at all, and it didn't look odd. Perhaps it's my own issue, but surely if you were to call someone out on hyperbole, you'd at least back up your own figures from the outset.
Although this is the internet i 'spose.
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And it is Prager "University".
So, yeah. We shouldn't expect too much.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:08,
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well if everyone cited sources during a speech they'll start to sound like a wiki artical.
However 30 seconds of digging backs up the statement....
"Golden Rice has the potential to prevent the death of 2 million of the worlds poorest children every year"
With a report from the WHO
"Improved vitamin A nutriture would be expected to prevent approximately
1-2 million deaths annually among children aged 1-4 years. "
whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/1992/Vol70-No2/bulletin_1992_70(2)_225-232.pdf
And apparently Vitamin A deficiency is also the leading cause of blindness in children.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 11:56,
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Sperm is a good source of vitamin A.
So we should send Gary Glitter back to Southeast Asia and he could provide supplements to the deprived kids.
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Thu 30 Jul 2015, 12:17,
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"Cornish people eat pasties...
...because the crust keeps the evidence off their fingers"1
1/,UK census 2001.
Cool :-)
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