Have we had this here? Dentist "upset" at people's reaction to his killing a lion.
His statement really boiled my piss: He travels round the world killing animals, but can't even bear to use the word "kill" himself.
Obviously, internet witch-hunts are obviously terrible, however I'm having trouble empathising with this man's current plight.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 9:14,
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In light of this is Zimbabwe going to stop offering safari killing tours?
Or is it just the famous animals they care about?
It costs $49,000 to hunt a lion and you've got to pay extra 4% "government fee" aparently.
www.luxuryhunts.com/zimbabwe_lion_hunt.html
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 9:35,
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speaking of the commercial value of wildlife in Zimbabwe:
africageographic.com/blog/zimbabwes-elephants-sold-chinese-zoo-malnourished-injured/
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 10:04,
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Done "properly" big game hunting benefits local economies, and improves wildlife diversity.
In this case, however, it has been a string of cock ups.
The thing that gets me about this particular individual is that in the 21st century he thinks using a bow and arrow against big animals is sporting and humane. It's not. You need a big gun to deliver enough energy into a rhino, buffalo, favourite lion etc. in order to produce enough damage for a quick kill. Hydraulic shock transmits a lot of energy into the animal. The energy of an arrow is not sufficient, and is localised; it depends on hitting a vital organ to result in a fatal hit. I think the account of this hunt was that they found the lion injured (quelle surprise!) the next day and had to dispatch it. So, completely avoidable suffering.
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Varmint, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 10:12,
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I get that they make money on hunting trips but how does killing an animal improve diversity?
Specifically Rhinos, lions and other animals that have perilously small populations?
Also killing the male lion will now result in massive damage to the system when other males try to fill the vacuum, kill his cubs to bring the females into heat, leaving their own prides unattended and at risk.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 11:00,
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In theory, there's a few ways.
Notably, there's the "hydra effect", which is the perplexing phenomenon whereby culling a population may cause it to come back stronger later. (There was a piece in the New Scientist about this a couple of weeks ago.
Second, in cases where the population of one animal is large, that might crowd out other animals, and become self-perpetuating. So, for example, there's a kind of starfish that is an incredibly voracious eater of coral; since coral reefs support all kinds of other life, culling that starfish in areas where it's been introduced and has no natural predators will be good for the ecosystem generally (assuming that we're not willing to wait the 300 000 years it might take for a local predator to develop a taste for them). Similarly, killing moose (and protecting wolves) has had an incredible regenerative effect on places like Yellowstone, because it allows for saplings to develop, which means greater landscape diversity, and more niches. (There's a wonderful novel called Wolf Totem by Jiang Rong that deals with the relationship between herders and wolves in Mongolia, by the way.)
It's not obvious that any of this applies to critically endangered animals, though. And the argument about moose might not translate easily to predators like lions.
Here's another argument - more anthropocentric in tone. By allowing permit hunting, you're actually providing an incentive for locals to conserve the population of game, on the basis that it then provides them with a source of income. More, a hard currency injection into an economy makes that economy richer, which does something to reduce subsistence farming, which reduces human/ game conflict, which reduces the need for quite so much game to be killed.
Again, that might not always work - eliminating fishing quotas in the North Sea is less likely to incentivise conservation as to lead to everyone going out to catch as much cod as possible before it's extinguished - but the crucial thing here would be regulation. Unregulated hunting may be a disaster - but regulated hunting mightn't be.
Which doesn't make it any less repugnant. But, if the argument works, we may have a reason to hold our noses and accept it for the greater good.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 11:56,
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A moose once bit my sister.
I totally support the culling of animals like deer which are overcrowding their environment and are also delicious.
But I can't get behind reducing populations numbering in the 100's or 1000's living in massive open spaces just because a dentist wants the thrill of bloodlust and some locals want a few grand.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 12:35,
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With which sentiment I wholly agree.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 13:02,
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That's an agreement I can feel sentimental about.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 14:03,
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A complete tosser
Well now his details are out, i'm going to laugh when he goes out out of business, or someone calls by and fucks him up
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Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 9:38,
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Can't you arrange to fill his house with lions awaiting his return home?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 11:30,
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Online witch-hunts are okay if you have all the proper permits secured.
All proceeds go to feeding the trolls.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 9:53,
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^cunt
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 10:23,
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imagine spending your days wondering what it would be like to shoot exotic animals while peering into people's mouths
His brain must be like a Francis Bacon painting
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Mmmmmmmmmm............
Francis.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 10:43,
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Ha!
His teeth in photos are unnervingly white and perfect as well. I know that's more normal in America, but I find it quite creepy.
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....he dotes over the his potplant though.
I think he named it Audrey.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 10:51,
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He's getting some imaginative feedback on Yelp
www.yelp.com/biz/river-bluff-dental-bloomington
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Wed 29 Jul 2015, 11:02,
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