This explains why
going to the gym doesn't make you fit, and eating chips doesn't effect your weight.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Fri 5 Mar 2010, 9:34, 1 reply)

Of course it does.
But you can't change your bone structure by eating, now can you? and your build depends on this. You can increase the amount of muscle, sure, but that won't change your build. The gym and eating won't change you from a thin man into a brick shithouse. You'd need to be genetically programmed to be a brick shithouse and then not to damage to your body during your development stages to actually achieve it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 5 Mar 2010, 10:42, closed)

Uh huh.
Also, you seem to think you're arguing against the original poster, and in favour of Gordon Ramsay's implied view.

In fact your view, if true, would support the original poster in his contention that there's nothing stopping you being vegan & muscly, and against the idea that being vegan makes you weedy.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Fri 5 Mar 2010, 16:03, closed)

no it doesn't
I'm asking if he was vegan all his life, since your build is mostly down to genetics and your early life. Since he wasn't vegan until his thirties, he can hardly claim his muscle bulk is down to veganism. More that it exists in spite of it.

I'm not particularly "arguing" either way, actually. I'm just making a related point.

I don't particularly like Ramsay, and sweeping statements like that are dodgy if serious. It is possible to be healthy on a vegan diet. Possible. Not easy. Iron is almost impossible to get on a vegan diet, for instance, without supplements. B vitamins must almost all come from supplements. All of those are pretty crucial for muscle and blood development. If you want to do that to yourself as an adult, that's your lookout, but to a child, it would be dangerous.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Mar 2010, 9:01, closed)

There are numerous vegetable Iron sources.
Most of us will take supplements, but Marmite and breakfast cereals are good sources of vitamins too.

but I would suggest that a look at the Vegan Society website is useful

Iron is not the hardest nutrient to get as a Vegan.

www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/iron.aspx

Plus being a UK site it's a lot less shouty and preachy than It's US cousins :)

There is no accurate way to assess whether a meat diet would have affected me in a positive or negative way.
But, If you look at my Carnivorous Father and Mother they are considerably Smaller and less 'massive' than Me.
Both have had medical problems before they were 40.
My Dad had his first Heart attack before 40

at his peak of his success Carl Lewis was a Vegan, but he may well be a vegetarian now. That is a spectacular advert for the lifestyle
(BigAndyBee, Mon 8 Mar 2010, 19:25, closed)