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# (s)he certainly wasn't trying very hard
(I helped save b3ta! PedroHin Come along & ride on a Flantastic Voyage, Sun 16 Oct 2011, 18:54, archived)
# They were rude to him.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 16 Oct 2011, 19:02, archived)