I'm not sure you understand how debate works.You don't really have the right to champion the opinions of others when they are nothing more than a personal view.
I have little or no knowledge of the guy in question because his preaching has not affected me yet. I do happen to know Dawkins well and think the guy is very much on the button with many of his thoughts. His problem is again that he's not got the common sense and people skills needed to endear himself to people when trying to spread his ideas. But that comes down to preaching and as much as i think the guy is correct I also think he's an idiot who should shut the fuck up. Advice many could benefit from.
As for 'terrorists' that's a label that is poorly used and too wildly banded about. It suits the user and rarely tells the truth. Suicide bombers? I fear them, I have good reason to given my past. I'm not angry with them. I'm sad that they have fallen into that life and eventual death. No point being angry with a person who is just trying to have others notice that he believes different to them. You can't hate the Palestinian for feeling he has no other recourse to bring to the attention that his homeland is under occupation than to kill people.
I liberated Kuwait fella, I might have been one of many but I did my job and I did it without prejudice.
(I have little or no knowledge of the guy in question because his preaching has not affected me yet. I do happen to know Dawkins well and think the guy is very much on the button with many of his thoughts. His problem is again that he's not got the common sense and people skills needed to endear himself to people when trying to spread his ideas. But that comes down to preaching and as much as i think the guy is correct I also think he's an idiot who should shut the fuck up. Advice many could benefit from.
As for 'terrorists' that's a label that is poorly used and too wildly banded about. It suits the user and rarely tells the truth. Suicide bombers? I fear them, I have good reason to given my past. I'm not angry with them. I'm sad that they have fallen into that life and eventual death. No point being angry with a person who is just trying to have others notice that he believes different to them. You can't hate the Palestinian for feeling he has no other recourse to bring to the attention that his homeland is under occupation than to kill people.
I liberated Kuwait fella, I might have been one of many but I did my job and I did it without prejudice.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Tue 27 May 2008, 3:42,
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Im a youngen...My early childhood memories have a slight tinge of the the gulf war.. My mum still tells me how affraid I was of the news when all that was going on..
All I can say is I have ultimate respect for the armed forces, and especialy for those of my school friends who are in the army now. One of which I smoked cigars from Iraw qith this last new years eve..
I live in rural Yorkshire, I have no fear of suicide bombers, I dont like the idea of them, but I feel sorry fro anyone in London etc that possibly feears that kind of thing..
All I feel is, that whether it be Christian slating Muslim, or Muslim slating Jew or Athiest slating all religion.. It doesnt help tjhe situation.. we all need to accept that we a re all human beings, who have our own ways of coping with life.. and if we start to hate each other for that fact, its just going to cause mroe bloodshed..
Put it this way.. We all look back on 9-10 years ago at the GFA.. and think god, how hard was it for that to happen? why would it take souch negotiation to stop that bloodshed? Why should we activly create arguments for our own bloddshed? Northern Irelands problems are arnt much different to the problems we have now.. Only we have the oppertunity to nip them in the bud.. and Hitchens isnt helping none..
(All I can say is I have ultimate respect for the armed forces, and especialy for those of my school friends who are in the army now. One of which I smoked cigars from Iraw qith this last new years eve..
I live in rural Yorkshire, I have no fear of suicide bombers, I dont like the idea of them, but I feel sorry fro anyone in London etc that possibly feears that kind of thing..
All I feel is, that whether it be Christian slating Muslim, or Muslim slating Jew or Athiest slating all religion.. It doesnt help tjhe situation.. we all need to accept that we a re all human beings, who have our own ways of coping with life.. and if we start to hate each other for that fact, its just going to cause mroe bloodshed..
Put it this way.. We all look back on 9-10 years ago at the GFA.. and think god, how hard was it for that to happen? why would it take souch negotiation to stop that bloodshed? Why should we activly create arguments for our own bloddshed? Northern Irelands problems are arnt much different to the problems we have now.. Only we have the oppertunity to nip them in the bud.. and Hitchens isnt helping none..
Jorvic,
Tue 27 May 2008, 3:52,
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I think I do actually.I have every right to challenge others in thier opinions. Hitler's 'personal views' turned out to be rather harmul wouldn't you say?
If you think that 'people skills' are needed to convince others into agreement then you should really think about going back to school.
WHY do you think that bombers have fallen into that life and mindset in the first place!? Religion poisons everything it touches.
I can hate anyone who decides to kill innocent others to make a point! I am asahmed that you helped to 'liberate' Kuwait.
You lack reason and intelligence.
(If you think that 'people skills' are needed to convince others into agreement then you should really think about going back to school.
WHY do you think that bombers have fallen into that life and mindset in the first place!? Religion poisons everything it touches.
I can hate anyone who decides to kill innocent others to make a point! I am asahmed that you helped to 'liberate' Kuwait.
You lack reason and intelligence.
PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer.,
Tue 27 May 2008, 3:59,
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the method can have more weight than the messagetelling people they are dumbfucks for being wrong won't work too well irrespective of if you are right and they are wrong.
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discomeats This canoe,
Tue 27 May 2008, 4:04,
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who saiddumbfucks?
( PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer.,
Tue 27 May 2008, 4:07,
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it was not a literal response to you, it was a statement in regard to methodHaving said this, lacking reason and intelligence has as much value as calling someone a dumbfuck, though pasanonic is more than capable of defending himself in an argument and I feel this discussion has reached it's end if it must contain such statements.
Some moments not looking at the screen would be beneficial.
(Some moments not looking at the screen would be beneficial.
discomeats This canoe,
Tue 27 May 2008, 4:17,
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shit the bed..I disagree with you on so many levels there..
im off to bed though.
(im off to bed though.
Jorvic,
Tue 27 May 2008, 4:07,
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fucking arguing with fools is not something I take glee in, but if I must.I have every right to challenge others in thier sic opinions.
I agree that you have a right to challenge the opinions of others, I'd just like to point out that this is not relevant to my comments. I said you had no right to champion the personal opinions of others as you started to do earlier
Hitler's 'personal views' turned out to be rather harmul sic wouldn't you say?
no, I would not say, given that you are rather vague and don't explicitly speak of the 'opinions' you refer to. Hitler was in fact one of the most outstanding politicians of our time. He came from nowhere to rouse a nation to fight for what they believed to be a place in Europe that they had previously occupied and should occupy again. I don't doubt that there are many Nazi policies that we could discuss the merits or demerits of but you offer no examples and even then you offer no citation to show that these were the personal opinion of Hitler so I'll leave that with you
If you think that 'people skills' are needed to convince others into agreement then you should really think about going back to school.
that would be your opinion and I don't think there is any valid point in discussing what are the best skills needed to preach ones own personal opinion to others. I will say that going back to school will give me little. I've already been merited with all the accolades I could expect to gain whilst proffering myself for examination
WHY do you think that bombers have fallen into that life and mindset in the first place!? Religion poisons everything it touches.
I'm not of the opinion that it matters what my thoughts are on this issue but seeing as you ask I will say that I agree that it is religious indoctrination that causes many people to behave in a manner that is both confusing and distasteful outside of their own peronal cult. I'd like to make it clear that I make no distinction between muslim, jew or catholic here. They are all archaic cults built on superstition and have no place in a future society based on humanity first
I can hate anyone who decides to kill innocent others to make a point! I am asahmed sic that you helped to 'liberate' Kuwait.
hate is stupid. Hate brings you to a point of opposition and hate will ultimately make you just the same as the thing you oppose.
You can be ashamed of me all you like but I think that as a member of the armed forces who did his job in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq that most people will understand that I have been a benefit to this society even if I have not always agreed with the motives of my masters.
You lack reason and intelligence.
personal insults. I refer you to my earlier statement where I point out you have no understanding of what debate is about
(I agree that you have a right to challenge the opinions of others, I'd just like to point out that this is not relevant to my comments. I said you had no right to champion the personal opinions of others as you started to do earlier
Hitler's 'personal views' turned out to be rather harmul sic wouldn't you say?
no, I would not say, given that you are rather vague and don't explicitly speak of the 'opinions' you refer to. Hitler was in fact one of the most outstanding politicians of our time. He came from nowhere to rouse a nation to fight for what they believed to be a place in Europe that they had previously occupied and should occupy again. I don't doubt that there are many Nazi policies that we could discuss the merits or demerits of but you offer no examples and even then you offer no citation to show that these were the personal opinion of Hitler so I'll leave that with you
If you think that 'people skills' are needed to convince others into agreement then you should really think about going back to school.
that would be your opinion and I don't think there is any valid point in discussing what are the best skills needed to preach ones own personal opinion to others. I will say that going back to school will give me little. I've already been merited with all the accolades I could expect to gain whilst proffering myself for examination
WHY do you think that bombers have fallen into that life and mindset in the first place!? Religion poisons everything it touches.
I'm not of the opinion that it matters what my thoughts are on this issue but seeing as you ask I will say that I agree that it is religious indoctrination that causes many people to behave in a manner that is both confusing and distasteful outside of their own peronal cult. I'd like to make it clear that I make no distinction between muslim, jew or catholic here. They are all archaic cults built on superstition and have no place in a future society based on humanity first
I can hate anyone who decides to kill innocent others to make a point! I am asahmed sic that you helped to 'liberate' Kuwait.
hate is stupid. Hate brings you to a point of opposition and hate will ultimately make you just the same as the thing you oppose.
You can be ashamed of me all you like but I think that as a member of the armed forces who did his job in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq that most people will understand that I have been a benefit to this society even if I have not always agreed with the motives of my masters.
You lack reason and intelligence.
personal insults. I refer you to my earlier statement where I point out you have no understanding of what debate is about
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Tue 27 May 2008, 4:24,
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