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# pfffft, about 10 second worth
(I helped save b3ta! Duke Otterby you pre-verts, Mon 1 Jun 2009, 20:56, archived)
# OK, so only -1
There has to be a penalty.

I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 1 Jun 2009, 20:58, archived)