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# for fucks sake, get the message
the last one of these was deleted, I suggest you do the same.

You've used a picture of a terrified child who is naked and in pain. What part of 'I shouldn't be fucking doing this' didn't your brain understand?
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:08, archived)
# This is a very complicated rule, Mr Toast.
Can you explain it again?
(I helped save b3ta! Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:10, archived)
#
www.b3ta.com/board/8673461
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:11, archived)
# My first post unfortunately involved this source pic and teh quo
making me a very naught noob indeed. I haven't used it since though, nor have I ever done anything of any quality!
(I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:12, archived)
# Hang on, thread deletion is also frowned upon here isn't it?
we also poke fun at the WTC attacks, and other horrific events such as the Holocaust, with much less attention paid to it.
We do have a 'hide' button for those who wish not to see such images. There is also adblock.
I'm not defending the image posted - it upsets me as well - but there are ways and means around it for those not wishing to see it.
There are no 'hard and fast' rules about 'the line' which people may or may not cross. b3ta is quite liberal like that, and long may it continue.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:13, archived)
# I think it's generally naked people that are frightened that
seems to put people off here.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:15, archived)
# Sorry to interject
I know this isn't my conversation and I do see both sides of the argument- I think because this is SUCH a graphic image that shows the suffering of a naked child from merely a few metres away it seems more harrowing and shocking to me than an image of a smoking building- that says more about my naivety than anyone else, but I thought I'd say my piece.

Plus it's kids. That's always not good, in my eyes, but then I'm a massive hypocrite.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:15, archived)
# Indeed, but - as you imply yourself - it comes down to personal opinion of an image
and if you don't like an image, there are things in place to hide and get rid of it.

It's an awful image - yet a well known one. TV, film, Book, Magazine, it's - dare I say it - an iconic image from a troubled time. In a challenge which asks for 'History' to be taken into account, it's fairly obvious given the vast membership of b3ta that there may be one or two 'less than desirable' aspects of history used for challenge entries, especially given the nature of b3ta itself.

It's not really up to the members to police b3ta on things like this, it's up to the individual to like it or lump it, and if they don't like it, there are ways around it to avoid having to see it. If something IS too much for the general consensus, or perhaps goes a little too far, then we have Mods.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:22, archived)
# Oh I totally see your point, I do.
I'm basing my opinion solely on my opinion, but appreciating my own hypocrisy in the process. I think maybe perhaps I've not got as much.... perspective as others on some things. Maybe that'll come with age, maybe it won't.

I think people should be able to say 'that's not funny' etc, though.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:24, archived)
# indeed they should, that's what makes b3ta great.
I was just thinking that, to the casual poster, (which I assume the poster of the image above is, along with many others) it doesn't really help them get a feel for b3ta, as in one breath people might say delete something, and then if they view the board later on and see a diff. thread deleted, suddenly that deleter will be called a c*nt.
They can't win.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)
# but that's a problem with people being weirdly "board nazi-ish" about deleting threads
or is there actually some problem that arises from a thread deletion, beyond people losing valuable post counts?
I've never fully understood the hoo-hah
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)
# I have no idea, but it happens, and people who see the board can see what happens when a thread gets deleted.
So it doesn't really give them much to take on board if in one ear people are saying 'delete that you c*nt, and then later on when someone perhaps does delete something, maybe for something far less trivial, suddenly it's as if the 'offender' has personally come into our homes on christmas day and pissed on our turkey.

It doesn't matter to the casual observer if it's a 'weird' board nazi-ish thing to do, it happens anyway. It's surely easier for people to exercise control over what they see, as I said above. if they don't like it, hide/adblock it and don't comment, or at least if they do comment, make it constructive.

otherwise, this place just becomes an extended youtube comments section
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:36, archived)
# I actually recommened a thread deletion the other day :)
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:03, archived)
# i think the best thing to do is link images that might be nsfw.
no need to delete a thread then.
(I helped save b3ta! urbane legend i have known the inexorable sadness of pencils, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:16, archived)
# aye, another fine and simple solution to avoid the wobbling :)
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:22, archived)
# I only find that I lose track of conversations
but that's easily rectified.

Archie- I see and agree with what you've said, I've never quite got it either.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:36, archived)
# I've already blocked it
I said that in the hope that it will not appear again so quickly
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:16, archived)
# and yet
this is acceptable?:
www.b3ta.com/board/8648371

i smell hypocrisy...
(addy_c, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:16, archived)
# you're kidding right?
a badly drawn cartoon compared to a moment of actual human suffering?
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:17, archived)
# this was just one example of "tasteless" post
so an actual picture of people being shit to each other is over the line, but the idea of people being shit to each other is acceptable

*notes apparent rules*

(addy_c, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:20, archived)
# They're not rules,
they're guidelines.

If it's people obviously suffering in real life then it's not too funny to anybody.

There's some sick humour in shitty cartoon drawings to some people.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:22, archived)
# If it helps, there's no hard and fast rules...
It's just that some pictures put people off a lot more than others - this one in particular causes a bit of discomfort, whereas other things such as the twin towers are more of an abstract concept, thus more tolerated (though not completely). That said, there are certain WTC pictures that are also not guaranteed a welcome on here...
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:24, archived)
# The chap jumping being one, I seem to recall.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:26, archived)
# Exactly the image I was implying.
"All or nothing" is a principle I can understand in theory, but in practice, some things are just too much for too many people...
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)
# Badly drawn?
Now I'm genuinely offended.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:33, archived)
# One's not real. There's a difference.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:18, archived)
# A world of difference there though...
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:18, archived)
# but....
maddie jokes,stephen lawrence jokes(which was fp'd ffs)and taking the piss out of simon weston are all acceptable? And someone once posted this same child being chased by gary glitter to much b3ta applause
Bollocks say I.
(drgonzo2012 Tell me about the rabbits, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:19, archived)
# too fuckin right
either anything is game or nothing.

whiney pricks
(driverchris, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:21, archived)
# A bit black and white there are we?
Simon Weston is no longer obviously in pain.

If it were a picture of his accident, then yes, it'd probably be off limits.

Maddie jokes are ok because it was clearly the parents that killed her. /probably
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:24, archived)
# hypocrites all
I don't think she's in pain any more either.

Terrible justification.

No really. The self righteousness of people justifying where they draw their personal 'line' is piss poor.

(driverchris, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:27, archived)
# In this picture. Not now.
It's personal opinion as someone said above.

Quite a few people here don't like that image, thus they're airing their views.

I'm not sure you'd like a picture of you running away naked from bombings clearly in agony would be appreciated by yourself now, would it.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)
# Excuse me
but I think you'll find that everyone's opinion has the same weight on here. Unless you think your belligerence makes you more important. Is this the white van man mentality of 'I can shout louder and thump my chest, ergo people should pay more attention to me'?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:33, archived)
# actually, I believe she still is all these years later
but this whole argument is bit moot considering other images on here

I think if someone posts scat porn it's crossed the line

I have no idea where the actual line is though :)
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:45, archived)
# are you serious?
How the fuck do you know weston isn't in pain? Physical or emotional.
and the maddie comment...?? You have to be kidding.
(drgonzo2012 Tell me about the rabbits, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)
# The Maddie comment, yes.
Weston comment: my point is that pictures of him now do not show him in pain and anguish. This rests easier with a lot of people's conscience here.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)
# Then I would chose Nothing
I assume by "anything" you mean images of Paedophilia, Rape, Murder, Bestiality, GBH, etc etc
or are you setting limits too?
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:26, archived)
# and Mick Hucknall
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:28, archived)
# steady on now!
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)
# too fuckin right
everything or nothing.

I haven't read one single persons version of where the line is drawn that stands up.
(driverchris, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)
# you honestly think that pictures
of child abuse and rape should be on this site?

fuck.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)
# I honestly think
that you will tie yourself in knots explaining to someone who was on HMS Sheffield or lost a friend in WTC et etc etc why your personal agenda for what pics are acceptable is right.


I don't think this should be rotten.com, merely that its full of self righteous hypocrites

(driverchris, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:39, archived)
# Are the people complaining here really the ones who have posted this image themselves?
or posted similar images?

I'm not denying people are hypocrites, but I'm not willing to be targeted as one for something I haven't done.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:55, archived)
# ^
I don't understand any of that.

Read it again, still unclear...

(driverchris, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:57, archived)
# The people who are complaining aren't the ones who posted the images that are complained about.
Some are hypocryties probably, yes.

I haven't posted pictures like this myself because I feel it's over the line.

I think that's what HappyToast was trying to say.

Don't have a go at those who haven't posted the images. Surely it's better to not post images such as this than to post them.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:01, archived)
# Well, that's because it's down to personal choice...
If you don't agree with that person's opinion, then the argument isn't really going to stand up very well in your eyes...

For what it's worth, my own stand point is that if anyone else is making a picture, I don't have a line to cross - everything's fair game (assuming there's no terrible event in my life I'd rather not be reminded of and it hits a raw nerve, but if that was the case, I'd avoid b3ta for a bit).

If I'm the one making the picture however, I'll take into account the way it might make other people feel, and think about the effect it might have before posting it.
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:35, archived)
# ^you've hit the nail on the head there.
some people make an image for the board as a whole, other make if for themselves, hoping someone else may find it funny.

If you're at a relative 'start' in posting on b3ta, it's often difficult to know where to begin. b3ta is well know for its 'outlandish' humour, so sometimes people jump in with both feet.

You've summed it up quite nicely there :)
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:49, archived)