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This is a normal post There's a lot of comments like this on b3ta.
Genuine question here.
What method do you use in order to determine who is eligible to vote?

Age?
Education?
Gender?
Public service?
Parentage?

Very interested in how people here think the vote should be restricted.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think a two stage vote would have been more sensible.
In a vote like this some are always going to use it to kick the government and the polls seem to always get it wrong, so, a dry run maybe to set a benchmark? Regardless the line should have been higher, maybe 60% before any change. I also thought they should have had a "don't Know" on the ballot. For a GE I think it should be compulsory to vote which I think they do in OZ?
 (I helped save b3ta! transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is probably fairer than my idea.

(Huw Edwards #notalljews, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ask to see their facebook feed before allowing them into the voting station.
If it's full of 'Criminal Case' spam, shares of Britain First memes and fucking terrible vocabulary, then turn them the fuck away.
Might seem a bit snobby, but generally these sort of fuckwits are the least well informed and easiest to mislead.
Oh, and don't allow people over the age of 60 to vote. They don't have long enough left to reap the benefits or suffer the consequences.
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post So thats age + education filters with a layer of stats surveillance.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Seems fair enough, if somewhat brutal.
Older citizens are less important because they have less time left, and generally end up being a strain on the economy.
The less well formally educated are also *generally* a bit thick anyway.
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tell you what let's fuck democracy and just have one person in charge is not too old or thick to make all the decisions
Allowing people over 60 not to vote seems harsh. Many these days will have to work to some degree into their 70s/80s to make up for trashed pensions and to pay off their 40 year mortgage or rent
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hypothetically in 'bastart land' a vote for income generators or classified workers could work.
I think jobless and long term sick is around 5 million? Retired many more? That is a sizable chunk of the population.
 (I helped save b3ta! transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post o-O

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 20:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thats rather chilling.... I do hope you never get in a position of power.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post no you misunderstand,
i'm not talking about a policy or a license to vote, i'm talking a cultural thing... we need to stop telling people "they must vote at all costs" and instead say "you don't have to vote if you don't want to take an interest, that's fine"

EDIT: to clarify i don't think the vote should be restricted, but instead we need to stop telling people they have to vote, it should be a right you choose to excersise because you have a passion or an interest, not because you have been culturally and socially bullied into it,

mainstream politics does this to "soak up" those votes and continually distort democracy, every election I hear "people died for your right to vote" and it drives me mad, people died for our right to be able to vote you know as a choice ... but there's an expectation of intellectual responsibility that goes with that....
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah I see, fair enough but that shouldn't be official policy in my book.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post god no, that would be a highway to fascism,
a cultural thing... totally something that ultimately WE need to realise.

I have a right to an opinion, but only an informed opinion has the right to be heard.

If we are honest with ourselves we know that turning on the tv is not recieving an informed opinion... that's lazy... and we know that in so many aspects of our lives that we actually give a shit about...

if you don't give a shit about politics, you don't have to vote...

I mean soon we'll be letting the Vegans choose the food for a BBQ... where does it end!
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually, how about restricting referendums to MP's themselves?
The MP is given the vote for their entire constituency. On the run up to the referendum the constituency are able to make their cases to their MP, who in turn makes the final decision as their elected representative.
Your local MP might be a fucking idiot, but tough shit. The majority of your constituency voted them in.
Local MP's (hopefully) will have a much better grasp of the matter in hand than your average Daily Mail reading, Jeremy Kyle consuming fuckwit and so the chances of the 'right' decision being put through are higher than letting the entire population of the local council estate loose on the ballot stations when their primary source of current affairs is the Britain First facebook page because "The news is well boring, innit?"
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post That would be lovely
but doesn't work well with party politics. Suppose the government put forward a bill to ban, say, red paint, and my area had the largest red paint factory in the country employing hundreds. My MP though, is a member of that government, and boy, do they want a Cabinet post. Represent the people and commit career suicide or toe the party line?
 (TSLunch, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry but that's a terrible idea.
Many people have no idea of what candidates' views are, much less caring enough to find out instead of just voting for whichever candidate their party of choice is fielding.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 19:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post how about: don't restrict the voters, restrict the campaigners
by holding them accountable for any lies they spin or promises they can't back up, with serious penalties
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well that would be the end of politics

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post make political ads
subject to the same regulations as normal ads would be a nice start... an ASA for political ads through an independent fact checking body like fullfact.org
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post That is a very good idea!

(I helped save b3ta! HoratioFellatio Taking the the out of psychotherapist, Sat 25 Jun 2016, 10:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post thing is, your average person loves TV
loves getting wound up about shit they know nothing about. There were no reasonable and fact based stuff out there, just people picking a side and sticking with it. All based on shitty tabloid bull.

This is just how life is, and always will be.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post saying this is how it will always be
is exactly why this is how it will always be
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not holding out
for them to educate the masses :)
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 18:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I clicked "I like this"
In my democracy I would have been able to click three times, at lest.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 23:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why be negative, why not adopt more positive encouragement?
Why don't we reward politicians based on outcome?

If they keep to referendum promises and deliver them - bonus
If they keep the economy balanced - bonus
If they reduce poverty and increase permanent employment - bonus

You get the picture. Motivate to do positive change, to keep thing improving, not just ticking over or getting worse.

We also need to disassociate government from lobbying, treat it as corruption.
 (plankton, Sat 25 Jun 2016, 11:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's all very ironic that there seems to be this attitude all over the Internet at the moment
by those who have deemed themselves far more competent and superior to the knuckle dragging racists who voted out.

Fact is the In campaign was a shambles of threats and scare stories. Nothing positive about Europe or a positive future in it. Having Cameron and Osborne as the two prominent faces of the In campaign was a disaster as well as so many just wanted to give them a bloody nose. There should have been a neutral but respected face to lead the remain campaign and I don't mean David Beckham.
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post ahem
It's all very ironic that there seems to be this attitude all over the Internet at the moment
by those who have deemed themselves far more competent and superior to the knuckle dragging racists who voted out.

I don't think it's that, I think it's that it's annoyance that people turned on the tv, and made such a complex decision as if they where watching big brother...

I have yet to find someone on the leave side who has truly done their research, and yet to find one that doesn't at some point spout a soundbite which has been proved to be inaccurate.

this was a battle fought with hearts when it should have been fought with minds.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post If the electorate weren't fully informed
of the benefits of staying, then whose fault is that?
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post thats the lazyness i'm talking about
we know that misinformation is what will tried to be sown, so OUR responsibility is to pursue unbiased information, fucking hell, in the referendum all you had to do was google "completely independent EU advice" and you got fullfact.org... that's the bare fucking minimum effort, and most people just couldn't be bothered with it...
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 20:13, , Reply)