like when optimus Prime dies?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:17, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

Yes
I cried during the hunger games and that film was shit
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:18, Reply)

That's disappointing, I was hoping it'd be good

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:20, Reply)

it's certainly no "Twilight: breaking Dawn"

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:21, Reply)

I was made to watch the first film
Never going to watch any of the others. Utter tripe.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:23, Reply)

I've seen the first one and it is atrocious

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:24, Reply)

Definitely

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:26, Reply)

They didn't explain anything
They just presume people have read it. So it made sense to me but didn't to the wife.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:25, Reply)

Ahh, fair enough

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:26, Reply)

I don't mind that so much, since I've read it.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:27, Reply)

Shall have a see if the library has it

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:28, Reply)

Would you like an epub version of it?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:30, Reply)

Wouldn't say no!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:31, Reply)

Gaz me an e-mail address.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:34, Reply)

Done

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:36, Reply)

I hadn't realised just how much I appreciate you saying thanks.
I feel like I should have done this when Battered gave me advice on New York.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:39, Reply)

Eh?
Sorry to be the bearer etc but if it didn't make sense to your wife I suspect the plot of teletubbies might tax her.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:29, Reply)

The plot of teletubbies does tax her.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:30, Reply)

She let her husband name her daughter after an iron man
I wouldn't have had much hope for her anyway.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:30, Reply)

seriously, I'd go and see it.
I've never read the fucking thing, I thought it was pretty good and it made perfect sense. There's a bit towards the end that demonstrated a rather large flaw in the "concept" of the thing but I'm guessing that's in the book too. And picking conceptual holes in children's books seems rather harsh.

Your only issue is the cinema will be full of teenagers of course.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:32, Reply)

I rather liked the books morality
It shows the lead character becoming progressively more disturbed as the trilogy goes on, and then the ending isn't all happy endings, it's quite warped.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:34, Reply)

I might give them a go, as it happens
It's a lot darker than I expected it to be.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:35, Reply)

I enjoyed them.
I quite enjoy the genre of "government forces children to do horrific things to retain control". If that's not too specific.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:37, Reply)

What other books do you know in that genre?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:39, Reply)

The Tory Manifesto!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:40, Reply)

Battle Royale
and the Long Walk.

Running Man almost qualifies but that's one guy, rather than 20-40 or so terrified children.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:41, Reply)

psssst, he said 'books'

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:52, Reply)

Psst
All of them are books.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:53, Reply)

pssst, yeah but they're films

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:57, Reply)

Battle Royale, written 1996, published 1999, film made 2000.
The Running Man, written 1982, film made 1987.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:01, Reply)

yeah but he was asking about books

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:03, Reply)

+1 to both of those

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:01, Reply)

I enjoyed the Long Walk though it got a bit much after a while
How are you bbz?
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:02, Reply)

I am good thanks, yourself?
The Long Walk was pretty good, but the ending was a bit meh.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:04, Reply)

It apparently ties in to the Dark Tower series
The shadowy figure can be interpreted to be the villain in those books. But I've not read them so yeah.

Dissertation bluez :( It's just not working. Apparently I just need to cite more people's arguments and theories so that's ok, at least.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:15, Reply)

Enid Blyton's "Five visit Francis Maude's garage"

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:42, Reply)

I might go and see it on Sunday
Only £3.20 for the local cinema, and you get to take in your own drinks, etc
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:35, Reply)

£3.20...it's about a tenner round 'ere

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:37, Reply)

To go to any of the chain ones it's about £6-7, but this is a tiny one in an old mill
It's great.

Also, that price is only on Sundays and Mondays.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:38, Reply)

hahaha, old mill
I KNEW IT!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:38, Reply)

Actually, I do apologise, it's an old Sunday school
www.visitchester.com/things-to-do/silk-museum-heritage-centre-p28251
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:40, Reply)

I thought you lived in Maccelsfield

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:46, Reply)

I do

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:49, Reply)

Example
They didn't explain how your name got in more than once so the 42 thing didn't make sense to her.

Also the sponsors thing was rendered pretty much pointless. All that effort for some balm that wasn't from a sponsor and some soup. Oh and saying most of them die from natural causes and then showing them all die from non natural causes was pointless too.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:40, Reply)

the 42 thing was hardly relevant to the plot.
I'm pretty sure they don't stop "Titanic" to explain that the faults in the intermediate bulkhead design are what was responsible for rapid water ingress, either. It's a film. They expect people to be mentally strong enough to cope with it.

I agree about the sponsors but it doesn't cause any confusion in the plot so what's the issue? it's fiction. It isn't obliged to be explainable.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:47, Reply)

Then why mention it?

( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:49, Reply)

because it explains why each tribute has to "perform" to show their skills.
And I suspect is why there was a bow available in the arena at all.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:51, Reply)

I meant the 42 thing

( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:52, Reply)

because it was relevant to how unlucky her sister was to get selected, I assume.
Do you do this to every film you see?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:55, Reply)

Why is a monkey showing a baby lion cub off to the other animal?

(PsychoChomp, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:57, Reply)

And why doesn't the lion just outrun the wildebeest?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:59, Reply)

I'm jut wondering about why question tiny plot inconsistencies
whilst ignoring the elephant in the room of the whole thing, that being the big dog things. Presumbaly they are in the book, but it's still a rather epic inconsistency.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:02, Reply)

What bugged you about the mutated dogs?

( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:05, Reply)

The concept is wrong.
Direct intervention causing death. Surely, the tributes must kill each other or succumb to the environment. If rules permit the people outside can kill tributes on a whim, as they then do, what's the point of the game?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:07, Reply)

Ah well in the book it explains/suggests that the mutations are in fact made from the other tributes DNA
So its still the tributes fighting the others in a roundabout sort of way

In the film it makes no sense.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:10, Reply)

Yeah, you wouldn't know they had the same eyes in the film
unless she actually said "Oh my gosh! They've got the same eyes as the tributes I already killed!"
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:11, Reply)

It wasn't just the eyes
They had numbers too
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:14, Reply)

I missed that
That's quite interesting.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:23, Reply)

In the books

( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:30, Reply)

I'm not bothered by it making sense or not so much.
It's fiction after all. From a conceptual point of view, a story about a game like that becomes weaker without relevant rules. Maybe that's just me.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:12, Reply)

Unless the Government being a bunch of cheats is part of the story
Plus its not really a story about a game, its a story of control and rebellion.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:15, Reply)

granted, but if they are going to cheat, what's the point of the game?
might as well just feed 24 kids to bears.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:16, Reply)

They answer that in the film
Hope
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:18, Reply)

The game is televised everywhere
there wouldn't be hope if it became obvious to the districts that there was cheating going on.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:20, Reply)

The district that won wouldn't care
and the ones that lost would be just as controlled
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:23, Reply)

Yeah, they were mutants created by the capital
in the same way as the massive wasp things
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:06, Reply)

yeah but the wasps are effectively passive
the lass had to get involved to use them as a weapon. That makes sense to me. The dogs are just the controllers picking off people, which seems to go against the point really.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:08, Reply)

The book does say that the controllers do often cheat to take out certain kids
one is mentioned that went mental and ate the heart of every victim but was killed by an avalanche that she thinks was started by the controllers to stop him winning.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:10, Reply)

No
Do you defend every film you see?
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:02, Reply)

not if it's shit, no
but you're attacking this one for trivial and meaningless inconsistencies.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:04, Reply)

I hardly attacked it
I said they didn't explain things properly. If they aren't going to explain why something is said, why have it in the film. It annoyed my wife because she was asking why they said things in the film and the answers were in the book.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:06, Reply)

I haven't read the book and it caused no confusion to me
I assume my mind just produced a plausible infill. I think the problem here is that your wife asks silly questions, not an issue with the film per se.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:10, Reply)

But if she asks "Why would his name be in 42 times?" Which isn't really a silly question as it directly relates to why the are called The Hunger Games
and the answer is in the book but not the film, perhaps they should just not have bothered to have the character say it.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:12, Reply)

It was actually explained in the film.
Just later on.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:15, Reply)

your mum was explained in the film
you pair of complete and utter cock gobblers
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:19, Reply)

My mums dead
She choked on a sock
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:20, Reply)

your mum choked to death opn your brother's cock?
I feel for you man
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:23, Reply)

Feel for my brother
Her teeth clamped down as she died
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:24, Reply)

at least it fit in her mouth

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:26, Reply)

Nah, she wasn't, I'd have noticed.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:20, Reply)

the only thing you'd have noticed
is if a kid in a children's film aimed at children based on a kids book had a fucking NICKNAME
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:24, Reply)

nah, I'm afraid I missed that

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:30, Reply)

yeah maybe it was a PG13 and you decided not to go

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:32, Reply)

could be, could be.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:33, Reply)

ARGUE BACK YOU SHITCUNT

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:34, Reply)

It is pretty good.
disappointingly, you can spot the bits they cut to get the 12A cert, though. Having never read the book I'd have rather they'd have left it complete and settled for a 15.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:30, Reply)

Yeah, it's quite gruesome in places in the book.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:30, Reply)

One of the bits they obviously cut isn't for gruesomeness per se, I don't think
it's just that you don't seem to be allowed to show children fwuffy animals being killed.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:33, Reply)

i reckon they should make two versions of films, when this issue occurs
i mean how much more would it cost compared to potential additional revenue? I would have paid double to see Shia Laboef disembowled in transformers
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:32, Reply)

I agree, but that means I'd have only been prepared to pay 4p.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:34, Reply)

I guess there's always the DIRECTOR'S CUT DVD cash in release.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:37, Reply)

This is bollocks
The film was great, as are all three of the books
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:40, Reply)

OK the film wasn't shit
But considering the source material it could have been loads better.
( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:42, Reply)

I dunno
The books are so cinematically written that the source does half the job for the filmmakers. About the only thing I'd change would be casting Lenny Kravitz
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:44, Reply)

Racist

( Peej, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:48, Reply)

Well, what do blacks know about fashion?

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:53, Reply)

Not as much as Millets, that's for sure

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 15:03, Reply)

Are you not gonna go his way?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 Apr 2012, 14:49, Reply)