What is it with people who get off on humiliating others?
I understand taking advantage of someone for your own gain (see most of my stories), but humiliation no.

EG the sort of people who, when the tramp starts spare-changing the people outside the pub, will offer him a pound to go and sit in a bin, or similar - the sort of people at whom "bumfights" is aimed.

Indeed - the sort of people who get off on watching the auditions for X-factor.

I understand humiliating pricks - watching Michael Portillo lose his seat I'm sure caused a spike in pregnancy rates that month - or watching Piers Morgan be fed, ever so slowly, and in close-up, High Definition detail, into a tank of concentrated sulphuric acid and wee - but not innocents or the harmless.

Yes I know tramps made their choioes and that may well be why they're on the street, but spare-changing is harmless - maybe annoying when you're trying to chat someone up, but it's hardly a crime.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:27, 19 replies)

Well, people ARE cunts
My mate loved that tirade against coke heads you wrote. He actually took it home saying "i'll put it up on my wall".
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:31, closed)

Well yes - but coke heads aren't either innocent or harmless - they're utter wankers.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:45, closed)

( Colonel Boris "...a desperate Buzzfeed imitation...", Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:39, closed)

\o/

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:45, closed)

I cuummmmmed
I hate that fucker.
(waxdart hello., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:51, closed)

I don't agree that tramps made that their choice.

I'm sure a tiny percent did. but for most of them some fucked up thing (and or) mental illness (not forgetting) addiction of some sort put them there.

I don't see addiction as choice.

Once, I saw a guy horrible burnt begging - remade eyelids and no fingers level of burnt. I gave him money.

I read a while later that some homeless do this on purpose to earn more money and get a long stay in hospital. If i'd have known that I've given him a lot more money. he wants it more than I do.
(waxdart hello., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:59, closed)

Sorry - yes - I agree. I was merely trying to pre-empt the argument.
But I don't see where people get off humiliating others.

BUT

As a smoker and the son of an alcoholic, I do believe addiction is a choice.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:06, closed)

Substance dependence and Behavioral addiction
"As a smoker and the son of an alcoholic"

At that level I agree that for most people it is a choice. To give up is a choice.

For other, to get to a point in life where you have "choice" or to even realise that there is a choice and as a person you are able to carry out said choice. Is another matter.

Just don't go find Jesus and replace nice addictions with a fucking stupid one.
(waxdart hello., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:31, closed)

Of the ex-addicts I've known who have found Jesus
Replacing smack, crack or booze addiction with being boring at parties and/or mildly annoying is far better for everyone than the chemical one.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:51, closed)

Sorry to be a pedant
but begging is actually a crime (under the Vagrancy Act of 1824).

Agree with the thrust of your argument though. By all means give money/don't give money according to your preference, but don't be a prick about it either way.
(SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:04, closed)

Yeah
and everything that's illegal is actually morally wrong? News to me...
( greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Thu 15 Jul 2010, 10:56, closed)

Did I say that?
Eh?
(SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Thu 15 Jul 2010, 11:17, closed)

But so many of the people who audition for X-Factor are pricks...

(Iaino, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 13:25, closed)

^agree^ There is a world of difference between schadenfreude obtained from x-factor & baiting tramps.
*accidentally admits guilty pleasure*
( Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 14:47, closed)

Do go on.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 14:53, closed)

By "get off" I assume you mean "enjoy".
I see what you're doing there; you're trying to associate enjoying something with feeling an illicit sexual thrill so that you can create an association in the minds of your readers between people you disapprove of and genuine perverts; if you like something that I don't like, you're a pervert. Whereas you'd never talk about people "getting off" on a nice pork pie.

Plus, when you live on the street and eat out of bins just to survive, dignity is (rightly) quite low on your list of priorities. If I offer a tramp a pound to eat some soil, then he's getting a pound out of it so everyone's a winner.
(Vlad the Inhaler forgot his password, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 15:10, closed)

Not necessarily sexual
But a thrill, definitely.

So - why do you want to get people to humiliate themselves - particularly people who are down on their luck?

It does seem perverse to me, yes - and not in a good way.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 15:48, closed)

Choices
On our trip through life we have to make choices all the time. As human beings we cannot see into the future so some of those choices are going to be bad ones. It doesn't always make us bad people.
(andythepieman Is surfing the waves of indifference on, Thu 15 Jul 2010, 9:59, closed)

I agree.
I'm on about people who get off on humiliating others.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 15 Jul 2010, 12:32, closed)