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www.justgiving.com/Mark-Crawshaw

Anyway, how the devil are you lot? It feels like I never get on here anymore.
( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:20, archived)

Maybe if he exerted that much energy on a building site for two days
he could make a far more serious wodge of cash. People wasting massive amounts of energy on fruitless projects and then begging for cash in the name of a dead relative are one of the most disgusting examples of humanity I can think of.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:22, archived)

Oh just fuck off

( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:23, archived)

you fuck off with your mawkish sympathy begging

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:23, archived)

ooooohhh
( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:30, archived)

Hahaha

( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:31, archived)

hahaahhaahah
brilliant
( jenpots, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:32, archived)

a building site for two days = £1000
are you fucking serious?
(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:30, archived)

No building-site based job pays £42/hour.
And that's assuming the job has 12 hour shifts.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:31, archived)

maybe he means an architect
or maybe it was a cryptic way of advising he sell drugs
(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:32, archived)

i'm pretty sure that whatever job he means,
it is one that the person is not qualified to do, so i guess running for charity is the next best?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:35, archived)

senior QS
Contracts manager
shall we go on?
( Ibstock, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:36, archived)

Let's have a whoop whoop for the QS.

( Neptune A dole queue dosser and foul mouthed chav., Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:37, archived)

"building-site based"

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:37, archived)

Do they not work on building sites?

( Neptune A dole queue dosser and foul mouthed chav., Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

Managers tend to work in offices.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:39, archived)

You know those Portakabins you see stacked up on the edge of the site,
what do you think is in them?
( Neptune A dole queue dosser and foul mouthed chav., Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:40, archived)

The smell of sweat and cheap carpets.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:41, archived)

your mother and a revolving door?

(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:42, archived)

My mum's a virgin.

( Neptune A dole queue dosser and foul mouthed chav., Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:43, archived)

Me.

( Druid, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:51, archived)

yeh, offices on the building sites.

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:43, archived)

yes, lets.

(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:37, archived)

i've earned that in that time on price work, and as we know i have no nous

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:40, archived)

how do you smell?

( manolith hooray for me, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:47, archived)

mostly of tallow

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:51, archived)

right...
so this guy can do those jobs can he?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

and is likely to be employed just for two days.
right.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:39, archived)

has he got the grand in donations then?
he looks a long way short to me
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:32, archived)

It's only been up a week, give it chance!

( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:35, archived)

Also that doesn't take offline donations into account

( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:35, archived)

NO!
CRUCIFY THE NONCE RIGHT NOW!
(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:36, archived)

christ man.

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

that's a bit fucking patronising,
to suggest that any old joe can successfully work on a building site.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:35, archived)

exactly...
bearing in mind the man sounds like Forrest Gump
(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

Fucking hell.

( WHARRGARBL, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

You're a cunt.
Not the jokey kind, just an actual bastard. Fuck off.
( St. Defenestration The REAL one, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:39, archived)

i raped him and he loved it.

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:40, archived)

he's probably also got a job as well.

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:46, archived)

Oh dear.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:56, archived)

Now, as reactionary as you've all been
I'm not saying I'm against the entire idea of charity. Well, I am, because I believe that a perfect society should rationally distribute funds to the necessary areas via government, but as that's never going to happen, charities need to exist. But they don't need to be patronised and belittled by idiots wasting their time doing fruitless exercises just to guilt us into parting with our hard-earned. If the cause is worthy enough, you should donate without having to be goaded into it, no matter how well-intentioned the time-waster.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:01, archived)

yeah this once i was donating money and i thought
fuck me i mean
i could be working in a power plant and
get more shit done.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:02, archived)

DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:03, archived)

yes, pretty much

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:07, archived)

DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY DISGUSTING EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:08, archived)

Do you know Albert Marshmallow?

(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:08, archived)

As much as I'm all for the government spending where it's needed,
the nationalisation of kindness would be a terrible thing. The only reason the government has this kind of moral duty is because we, as individuals, delegate those duties to it. The government is necessarily lacking in this regard because the only alternative is for it to control every single aspect of our personal expenditure, and that would be a terrifying assault on humanity.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:10, archived)

In this particular case, stroke research, government funding in that area of medicine would be a priority
this has nothing to do with kindness, but responsibility.
Controlling every aspect of expenditure is Communism, which, for all its failings, is not "a terrifying assault on humanity" but simple a cumbersome and flawed method of channeling the money flow. If Scandinavia takes 40% of your income immediately and over 20% of the value of all your other purchases, that must also come shockingly close to a terrifying assault on humanity as well.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:20, archived)

because China and Cuba are at the forefront of cancer/stroke/etc research?

(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:25, archived)

now if you go back and read, hubare
I'm openly acknowledging that governments fail to divert necessary funds to the appropriate areas. But I'm deeply sickened by people wheeling out their dead mothers and running pointless races rather than doing something productive to change that.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:27, archived)

sorry Wolfie

(likeajackhammer, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:33, archived)

taking away all individual freedom to perform acts of kindness
is a terrifying assault on humanity whether you call it Communism or not. Communism proper is many things, and there are many things it is accused of being that it isn't. But any powerful and highly centralised form of government turns people into machines when it replaces good will with legal obligations. It's not only unworkable, it's abhorrent.

Now I'm no capitalist. I don't believe that might makes right, or in the natural law of survival of the fittest, or in the invisible hand. But I do believe in human dignity. I believe that people should help each other out, because they want to, not submit themselves completely to the service of some self-righteous oligarchy.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:33, archived)

As much as I understand your fear of a government impinging on one's rights to be "kind"
I'm not advocating the banning of charity or "kindness" as you've so charmingly twisted it. Charity is simply the voluntary donation of funds to causes you feel need it more than you. If a government is willing to admit it has moral responsibilities towards its citizens in some areas, say the current flavour of free healthcare and education to a certain level, then surely adding other elements of medical research, support for orphans, and victims of abuse are worthy forwards steps rather than the idea you're suggesting.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:41, archived)

The government has no moral responsibilities that are not also individual responsibilities.
All moral responsibility the government has has been delegated to it by individuals because some causes are served better by collectives than by individuals working alone. Donating money to charities also serves that end. The government essentially is a charity, but with the practical difference that you can't choose not to donate to it whether you agree with it or not. And what's left over is the purest form of democracy there is.

A government has to admit that it has moral responsibilities, because it is nothing else. What it does not have is the moral right to rule. It rules, properly, by public grace alone.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:46, archived)

and yet we have government agencies to approve charities
thereby transferring at least some of the responsibility of those entities to a central government. Increasing taxes to support that idea to the next step is hardly a social abhorrence, unless you want a completely private market to begin with, including private health and education.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:58, archived)

Governments supporting charities is a daft idea,
either you create a government department to do something or you let the people fund it themselves. This mixing up of the two ideas makes very little sense.

Completely eliminating all public participation in the public good is an abhorrence. Completely eliminating centralised efforts would be, too. There's a balance in the middle, somewhere.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 23:05, archived)

which is why I said from the start I dont like charities. I'd prefer a proper public agency.
But don't use the word "public good." The public good comes from paying taxes and not cheating the system. By making the welfare of the needy a national agency you're not removing all aspects of kindness, not at all.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 23:08, archived)

The public good comes from good things being done.
The state does not, and cannot, have a monopoly on goodness.
You'd be removing a significant proportion of kindness if you banned charities and charitable giving, you'd be removing it completely if you banned all charitable actions as well. The ideal is not "all government" or "all charity", but co-existence. There has to be enough government strength to prevent the strong individuals dominating the weak, but not so much that people are reduced to naught in excess of blind subservience to the law.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 23:21, archived)

All?
I didn't say a word.
( Undulating Tentacles of Love getting fun down to acceptable levels, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:29, archived)

i'm fine, i don't give to charity, it makes needy people dependant on me

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:23, archived)

glad you're ok
fish biting?
( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:24, archived)

no, just tight jeans

(TheFallGuy doesn't it?!, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:26, archived)

it's all frozen, i'm going stir crazy, i'm scared this is a new ice age and i'll never get to fish again :((((

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:26, archived)

chuck a brick through the ice and fish close the edge like the Inuits

( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:28, archived)

you get told off for breaking the ice, not good for the fishes, and to be honest the carp would rather not eat

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:31, archived)

Still hunting for work
I'm fed up.
( jenpots, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:24, archived)

have you tried showing me your bumhole?

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:25, archived)

I did
but you weren't looking.
( jenpots, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:26, archived)

damn my luck, my bumhole hunting skills are failing in old age :((((

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:27, archived)

i can show you my bumhole if you like

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:32, archived)

if you wouldn't mind, i seem to be rusty

( mongychops, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:38, archived)

+t +s

( Druid, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:43, archived)

ok hold on i'll set up the webcam first innit

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:46, archived)

Aww I saw on facebook that you've been applying left right and centre
Do what I did and volunteer locally while you're looking, mine led to a job.
( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:26, archived)

to be honest
I'd rather use the time going to the gym.
( jenpots, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:27, archived)

yeah this worked for me once as well

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:31, archived)

It's odd because I actually miss the volunteering side of it.
I thought I would enjoy my job much more than the volunteering but I aren't, I haven't the time to have as much fun now. Although being called into nursery the other day as a "special guest" at a performance was awesome.
( Mrs.Sp@m, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:33, archived)

yeah volunteering's ace,
everyone's so grateful that you're there doing stuff for them, as soon as you start getting paid for it nothing is ever good enough.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 14 Jan 2010, 21:37, archived)