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# I see what you mean about some of the production and it does sound of its time,
but still bloody good for its time.
I would imagine it might sound a little more jarring to younger ears that had never heard it before.
But I still love the overall tune, arrangement and lyrics of everything he did from then and from soul mining.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 1:22, archived)
# Yeah, my older brother had 'Soul Mining' and 'Burning Blue Soul', which themselves probably suffered from talent restricted by production weediness.
'Mind Bomb' came out after 'Infected' and promptly overcompensated, prescient (religious fundamentalism etc) but browbeating.
The bloke just couldn't win. No wonder he wandered off into the distance, muttering darkly.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 1:29, archived)
# By all account, he's making a reasonable living doing soundtracks.
Inc. for a film called Tony, which might be my real name, about a serial killer in the east end. Came out last year, might try and get a copy.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 1:38, archived)
# Glad to hear he's making a living. Even though he's been effectively shut up by that, although howling into a hurricane of piss will probably just drown one eventually.
I was also quite glad / utterly astonished to learn that Clint Mansell from Pop Will Eat Itself is now a highly successful Hollywood film composer.
The mind boggles.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 1:47, archived)
# Oh. Never clicked before,
I have the soundtrack for 'requiem for a dream' - fantastic film and soundtrack - never realised that Clint Mansell was from pwei.
edit: ditto for pi
further edit: and wikipedia tells me he did the music for the fountain which I also loved - me and the gf watched it in a totally empty cinema...
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 1:52, archived)
# Now that scratty bastad knew how to make cheap fun records in 1986.
The trick really seems to've been embracing technology rather than trying to emulate 'real' instruments. Just mix rough tech with rough 'real' instruments.

(eg Beaver Patrol - OK, somewhat less politically incisive than The The, but you can see the point)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwlnKRGh9hI
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 2:03, archived)
# pwei didn't really do it for me at the time,
I was listening to gbh, conflict, gaye bykers.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 2:15, archived)
# Heard a Gaye Bykers track on radio 6 the other day.
Sounded pretty good 'n' fierce.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 2:26, archived)
# Saw them live a few times,
most memorably at some anti-vivisection fundraiser all-dayer at the hummingbird along with a band I really wish I could remember the name of.
This band's most well-known song was asbestos, lead, asbestos. But what sticks in my mind is a cover they did of an L L Cool J tune,
the drumming was absolutely brilliant - really fucking tight, hip-hop beats on an acoustic kit. Totally impressed me at the time.

edit: google! the band was World Domination Enterprises.
I have been really getting back to the 80s the last couple of weeks. But it seems to have very little to do with the consensus recall of the media. Strange.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 2:37, archived)
# Did you ever hear the 'commercial suicide' Talk Talk records,
Spirit of Eden (87, I think) and Laughing Stock (which, OK, might have been 90/91)?

They're staggeringly good, quite unlike anything else at all.

Largely only listened to by serious musicians, which is a pity, because serious musicians are shit with music.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 3:06, archived)
# No.
Was it you that mentioned talk talk the other night?
I only remember their eponymous record - I'll look into those others.

30th anniversary of On-U sounds this year, btw, interview with Adrian Sherwood here:
thequietus.com/articles/06115-adrian-sherwood-interview
Don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to a summer of unrest.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 3:20, archived)
# They're quiet slow-burners. But in-fucking-credibly good.
But respect to On-U and all that - they did a a load of cultural good for not much reward - but it does drive me back to 70s dub.
Which, in a way, contradicts my previous argument about making cheap records sound good in the 1980s!
Sonically, my favourite 80s record is 'Psycho Candy', which cleverly side-stepped the shortcomings of contemporary cheap recording technology.

Summer of unrest? Good on 'em for trying.

And, haha, I've avoided The Quietus since I pitched an article about 'the under-discovered Van Morrison' to its Editor, he told me I didn't understand what the website was about,
and we had quite an eventually unpleasant email exchange.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 3:35, archived)
# Goodness me,
old farts convention in full effect here.
My friend got Never Understand and filled up both sides of a c90 with it.
Happily listened to it all more than once.
I still have the album on vinyl...
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 3:43, archived)
# sorry about the edit lag so far tonight, btw.
I'm in "and another thing!" mode.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 3:48, archived)
# According to the World Service just now,
you can't blame being old.
New research shows that our brains keep improving well into middle age and the megdullah (sp?) tends to less favour negative responses and focuses on positive responses.
Vague, I know, but I was only half-listening.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 4:03, archived)
# I fucking hope they're right.
Maybe one day I'll be able to step out of the front door and resume my 'career'. Or what's left of it.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sun 1 May 2011, 4:13, archived)
# jebus
he did that soundtrack.. it's one of my all time faves
a bunch of us were in a deserted nightclub with them
a great laugh and VERY generous on buy booze
(rigby happened on (and with added toothache), Sun 1 May 2011, 2:10, archived)
# lol, yeah:
freaked me out when sea tramp made me realise it was clint mansell from stourbridge. Never made the connection.

edit: 'freaked me out' is probably a bit of an hysterical description. 'Slightly surprised me' would probably be more accurate.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Sun 1 May 2011, 2:19, archived)