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# But, to take your example, freedom of speech is incorporated into UK law
via the Human Rights Act - oh wait...

None of the things in his list are values: they're fundamental human rights (assuming the rule of law is something like the right to a fair trial).

There is a basic assumption in, presumably, most societies that people will respect certain values (like not being an arsehole to everyone by default). It's not a requirement though. There are arseholes, people disagree, people upset each other. The government can *ask* all they want for people to uphold values, but if they start trying to *make* people 'obey' them then they've crossed a line.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:51, archived)