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# New quote for the cover from our glorious leader
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 13:50, archived)
# Fucking hell, ^this
Does *anyone* think this is an okay thing to say?
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 13:59, archived)
# the goblin king does
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:18, archived)
# Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:30, archived)
# aww, don't mock the goblin king, he's sexy!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:33, archived)
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:41, archived)
# arf!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:43, archived)
# haha
happy candles!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:57, archived)
# Waxy thanks!!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:33, archived)
# Happy Candles!!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:39, archived)
# Ten Wasted Years!! Ta.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:42, archived)
# here's to ten more!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:43, archived)
# Huzzah!!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:51, archived)
# I'm hardly a Tory, but
it's worth looking at the rest of his speech. A few senteces later he says "That means actively promoting certain values. Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality. We must say to our citizens: this is what defines us as a society."

So perhaps not as bad when you hear it in context.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:05, archived)
# I'm not sure that is additional context though.
The statement "For too long, we have [said] to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" seems pretty well-contained, and to imply that they won't leave you alone even if you aren't doing anything wrong is terrifying to me...
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:24, archived)
# Just face it
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:26, archived)
# A quality publication.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:24, archived)
# It's clearly open to interpretation
I read it as meaning 'previously we only asked you to obey the law, now we're asking you to uphold certain values as well, one of which is freedom of speech'.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:19, archived)
# But, to take your example, freedom of speech is incorporated into UK law
via the Human Rights Act - oh wait...

None of the things in his list are values: they're fundamental human rights (assuming the rule of law is something like the right to a fair trial).

There is a basic assumption in, presumably, most societies that people will respect certain values (like not being an arsehole to everyone by default). It's not a requirement though. There are arseholes, people disagree, people upset each other. The government can *ask* all they want for people to uphold values, but if they start trying to *make* people "obey" them then they've crossed a line.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:51, archived)
# Arguing against tolerance in defence of tolerance?
That's what he's done. That's what the context tells us. And in that, he wants to go further than the law in policing and curtailing free speech in the name of protecting such values as free speech. If Orwell was alive today, he'd be turning in his grave.

One of those traditional British values is supposed to be something called Rule of Law. What he said is fundamentally incompatible with it. Absurdly, given what he said about democracy and other such values, that arguably puts him on the wrong side of what he's calling for, by calling for it - what a pillock!

I look forward to the principled Tory backbench rebellion against this.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 22:49, archived)
# Even with that, it sounds
like a boss forcing the staff to be team players by sacking anyone who won't sing the company anthem at the start of the day.

edit: "Section 28" would have been a great heckle when he started on about gay rights.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:32, archived)
# .
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:42, archived)
# Hahahaha
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 21:02, archived)
# :)
(, Thu 14 May 2015, 9:46, archived)
# I'm still reeling from that statement
a blatant declaration that they're above the law, and we'd better get used to it
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:03, archived)
# The Conservative government will "conclusively turn the page on this failed approach"
The "failed approach" being freedom of speech
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:37, archived)
# i think it's time to put our money into canned goods and shotguns
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:39, archived)
# Won't that make the money a bit messy and the guns difficult to fire?
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:25, archived)
# dammit, tribs, why do you always have to find fault?
i'm trying to prepare for a post-apocalyptic future here!
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 15:39, archived)
# The first step in any preparation for the apocalypse is to sit down and watch every post-apocalyse film you can find
"Threads", "Children of Men", "Tank Girl" and anything involving zombies are a good start.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:13, archived)
# love tank girl
and zombies are definitely my thing
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:27, archived)
# Also plenty of 1980's dystopia scifi on youtube.
But you'll probably have to change your name to Condor and drive around in the desert a lot while ensuring your torso is only minimally clothed.

I don't know where the fuel for the cars comes from though.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 17:21, archived)
# Mad Max films
explored the fuel question.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 22:54, archived)
# that's darkly dark
On a side note
Harry greeted with some sort of subliminal message
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 14:53, archived)
# Would he rather we were actively tolerant
or passively intolerant?
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 16:24, archived)
# First one, then the other.
Really all that matters is that we know our place.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 17:22, archived)
# Brilliant
And disturbing.
(, Wed 13 May 2015, 21:12, archived)
# (wince)
Little close to the knuckle that one...
(, Thu 14 May 2015, 11:56, archived)
# fucking chilled me to the bone
Tory cunt making the word 'tolerant' a bad word by association with Muslim extremists

fucking fuck fuck!
(, Fri 15 May 2015, 9:45, archived)