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# See I thought it was a festival of giving,
and celebrating and strengthening family bonds.

Just because it's been commercialised extensively doesn't invalidate it as a secular holiday.
(, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:28, archived)
# I've no problem
I give gifts to my kid and family's kids as they have no understanding of my views. I don't like it but I do it. I don't participate inanything else of it and I certainly don't need an excuse to do no work for a month and get pissed.
(, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:37, archived)