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# I hear you
but the scientifically proven fact remains, sometimes Homeopathy works for some people, so why not use it.
I simply can't see a reason for not using something that works. Particularly since it's something which is incapable of inducing side-effects.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 17:56, archived)
# But if homeopathy were true,
a tiny dangerous impurity present in the water at the start of the dilution process would become stronger throughout the process.
One of my problems with homeopathy is they seem to think only the desired chemical's effect is amplified, not those of any impurities.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 17:58, archived)
# That's a good point
but only in terms of addressing the theory that Homeopathy itself puts forward. Personally though I see no reason to address, or engage with, that theory in a scientific way. My stance here is entirely empirical and practical, and can be summed up as:
Given that Homeopathic medicine demonstrably works for some people, why not use it?
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:07, archived)
# Because it's more expensive than treating people with sugar pills or some other placebo,
and may divert money away from more effective treatments.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:09, archived)
# Again, I hear you
but the fact remains that sometimes Homeopathy works for people when other methods, placebo included, fail.
I don't have the figures, but I am willing to bet that the amount of money spent by the NHS on Homeopathy is tiny when compared to the amount of money spent on 'conventional' drugs and treatments.
Despite everything that's been said here, I still don't see a single reason to withhold a potentially helpful treatment from people, particularly one that's so clinically risk-free.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:24, archived)
# In a perfect world, the NHS would offer every potentially beneficial drug available.
But there always has to be a cost-benefit assessment.
I'd be happy for there to be more research done into homeopathy and for it to be compared to other treatments, Science should work by looking at any possible explanation without prejudice.
Normally, treatments aren't offered to patients until this kind of assessment has been done, and it should be the same for homeopathy.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:29, archived)
# Because treating a potentially fatal illness with a nonsense potion
may well delay proper medical attention.
(I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:03, archived)
# Come on now.
Homeopathy is never used as a first recourse in the case of a serious illness, at least not by the NHS. There are plenty of reasons to question the use of Homeopathy, but with all due respect, this is not one of them.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:08, archived)
# No, you "come on"
I did not suggest that the NHS did. Patients consult homeopaths and may do so as a first resort. I am personally aware of people who have been given very hazardous advice by homeopathic practitioners that could have had serious consequences.

Do you honestly give any credence to the homeopathic concept of dilution leaving a memory of the treatment in the diluent?
(I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:16, archived)
# Well, I don't - I think it IS quackery.
But it has relieved the pains of my best friend who suffers from arthritis, has acute danger of constant thombosis, and is in pain due to her immune system attacking itself.

So if it can do that for whatever reason it may be, homeopathy is good enough to stick around.

And no, it wasn't as a first resort. That avenue almost killed her (antibiotics).
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:21, archived)
# No. It's not a reason to stick with homeopathy.
It's a reason to examine how and why she is being helped. It certainly is not through the "science" of homeopathy.
(I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:30, archived)
# I'm presuming it's rheumatoid arthritis,
which characteristically has periods where it's very serious, followed by periods of apparent remission.
This makes it difficult sometimes to know whether the treatment has affected it, or if it's a natural cycle.
I'm not trying to insult her intelligence here, I'm just saying it's an another possibility.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:41, archived)
# No, I give no credence to it whatever.
But the uncomfortable, unavoidable, clinically proven fact remains, Homeopathic remedies have been shown to cure or alleviate diagnosed medical conditions in some people.
My position is, don't get blind-sided by the dogma and dodgy theories and explanations. Sometimes Homeopathic remedies work. So why not use them?
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:28, archived)
# No, Don't give credence to nonsense.
www.b3ta.com/board/8039260
(I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:33, archived)
#
www.b3ta.com/board/8039312

aaaaand the circle is complete.

Hometime!
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:35, archived)
# Ha, ha
Fun though!
(I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 7 Feb 2008, 18:56, archived)