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Are they painted over the actual photo stylistically or are you just fucking ridiculously ace at drawing as well as doing cool hair?

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:45, archived)

I'm a fan of the whole 'tracing' fraternity, so I usually go a little out of the way with these.

First layer, above the image is for sketchy lines. 2 or 3px brush and just get the basic shapes down and the rough lights and darks of the hair. Then I open up my large canvas, paste the sketch, and work above it for the final layer, with the original picture open next to it. It gets a little irritating having to constantly move the reference picture around, though.

I'm going to start doing these in my sketchbook soon though.

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Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:50, archived)

The hair is still unnaturally brilliant

and clearly something which can't be traced though.

I don't like tracing or even drawing from reference photos if I am trying to draw something other than an actual person. I like to think it will help me build up my drawing ability and stock of poses, anatomy and bodies. It doesn't seem to, but that's the theory.Works for some things, not for others. Like I managed to draw a person from a high perspective with foreshortening alright, barring the face, but completely fucked up a female form.

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:54, archived)

It is clearly something that can be traced

so lets not be confusing the issue.

As for you, if you don't like photo reference then do what I have learned. Use 3d Models an base your scene on those. You can get a good set of models with poser for under £150.

As for you tsatter. I just don't understand the sharp edge of it all, tha5t's it. I know if I use a feathered brush I'm getting a fuzzy edge ( the feather ) .
Hey, I'm not making statements, just trying to learn stuff I don't know. Me being an adobe whore.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:05, archived)

Hair can be traced

but the style and images of hair he does could not be done from tracing, purely because there are not loads of strands. Plus the lines are absolutely massive compared to actual hairs. You can follow the movement of the hair, I am not contesting that, but it is not done by just drawing lines where you see shapes as you commonly do in tracing.

I realise I can use 3d models if I can't find the reference, but that doesn't improve my abilty to draw scenes from thought. Which is, let's be honest, what most people want to do.

EDIT: it does look like it is done with what would be in Photoshop a non feathered hard brush, just with the graphics tablet pressure sensitivity set high so you can get nice thin to thick lines.

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:08, archived)

I'm not trying to

slag off Tsatters stuff and be assured he knows that. Just trying to understand more about it.
Have something for bedtime.

Click for bigger (295KB)
PSD's for those of you inclined to look at those things and moan about the simple filters used.
www.mediafire.com/?2hxtnzdz9tb
www.mediafire.com/?8zjih3cdjdg

from scratch is nice sometimes.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:24, archived)

Links are down

On a personal note I think the grainy effect spoils that, especially on the left gun flame (although I think that is actually a seperate distortion effect to the grain on the background colours).

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:29, archived)

But now you are telling me

How I need to render my own drawings. Surely something is wrong there.
I create something and choose to exhibit it. Do people ring up the Beano and say "hey, your rendering is shit"? I think not and I'm now really insulted.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:33, archived)

I never quite understand the method of your arguing sometimes

it's like a bizarre combination of sarcasm and devil's advocate.

As I did say, on a personal note if I could get to those PSDs I would remove the grainy effects as I think the result would be better. You can wipe your own faeces on it as far as i'm concerned but as soon as you make a valued judgement to display any work you ultimately justify its criticism.

Also I phone up the Beano all the time and tell them their rendering is shit, and I don't even read it, or have a phone.

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:38, archived)

I was not arguing

and will not confuse you more. Sorry for bothering you.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:47, archived)

Mmm patronising

Well I presumed you were joking, but this whole thread of conversation feels like it's falling into a horrible social climax.

*goes to bed*

(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:51, archived)