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# Unfinished, of course - just wondering if there's any opinions so far?
I'm not sure whether I should finish it, slighty change it or what.
Also, I need to start doing something different with these, as I assume people will be starting to get tired with the same old formula. Any insight into that would be greatly appreciated too.


Edit: Thanks, and night all!
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:28, archived)
# :D
These are so ace!

You did the grave anim yees?
(I helped save b3ta! Cae1, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:29, archived)
# I did.
:)

Edit:
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:34, archived)
# Could i see it?
Some time. If you can't find it at the mo, would you gaz it to me some time?#

Edit ::D:D:D:D:D
T'is ace.
Could watch that for hours.
(I helped save b3ta! Cae1, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:41, archived)
# Ta!
I should really do another sometime.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:46, archived)
# yes
naked peoples this time
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:51, archived)
# or 120?
(I helped save b3ta! Cae1, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:52, archived)
# Woah
Although it's a pity you can't see all the drawing bits at the same time.
I wonder what it would look like if there was a gentle outline of the whole thing and then the animation kind of pulses down it.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:42, archived)
# Would not be hard in Gimp
But I am heading for Blighty in ~12 hours so you won't see it out of me.
(Richy_T hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:02, archived)
# I think tis feckin
woosome.

especially the hair. And the tag.
(I helped save b3ta! Tu9 01100011011101010110111001110100, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:29, archived)
# I still like them, but I can't think of anything constructive to say.
Plus, I'm off to bed. Goodnight b3ta.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:29, archived)
# g'night!
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:30, archived)
# Niiiiiight!
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:32, archived)
# you
have an evil smile going on there.
i approve of this.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:30, archived)
# THIS IS ME, I AM A GIRL.
GIGGLE GIGGLE PERIOD PAINS ETC.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:32, archived)
# YOU ARE NOT GIRL.
YOU HAS A WINKY. I SEED IT.

*may contain lies and nuts
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:43, archived)
# Wanna stroke it?
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:44, archived)
# no
you never even offered me sweets first! what kind of amateur pervert are you?
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:58, archived)
# ttssattsr hair is the greatest of hairs
the line that her nose makes with her hair is weirding me out, however. it's like extra nose
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:30, archived)
# Oohh, I'll have to try and edit it somehow.
Ta.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:32, archived)
# i still like it.
(I helped save b3ta! d d, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:30, archived)
# keep it up.
I like it.
The more you try and change it the more you will end up producing the same, tired old colour tracing that everyone else does. Except you will have done it the proper way and everyone else will be spouting the term 'vector' like they have a clue.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:31, archived)
# I work in 100% raster.
I find vectors somewhat dull, for the majority.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:33, archived)
# what are you using to smooth
the shapes with then? Just out of interest.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:39, archived)
# A slightly feathered brush.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:42, archived)
# I'm all confused.
I know Corel products inside and out ( I have CorelDRAW X4 that they sent me gratis ) I'm just confused to see what you achieve from a feathered brush. Why no gradient edge?

Also Gaz me if you want Adobe products.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:49, archived)
# What's a gradient edge?
And, thanks, but I can't deal with learning a whole new program at the mo!
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:51, archived)
# *yaps*
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Pigeon Nipples Did you sit in some sugar?, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:33, archived)
# Not yet yapping man.
I actually quite like you. We got off to a bad start and it's got worse. But you know me a bit better and vice versa so I'm keeping you. Plus I think if you ever get back you might make useful crew.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:38, archived)
# Out of interest
What are these done with? Just photoshop and a graphics tablet?
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:34, archived)
# Nearly.
Just a Wacom A4, Paint Shop Pro X2 and a pentool.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:35, archived)
# Pentool
as in the one which marks out shapes?

And then you just fill along the penline?
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:36, archived)
# Oh, I mean Airbrush/Paint tool.
:) Like I say, it's all just drawn as a raster.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:39, archived)
# if you have that bezier pentool
out for a second then you are making vectors no matter how much you disguise it in you final jpg. ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:43, archived)
#
Are they painted over the actual photo stylistically or are you just fucking ridiculously ace at drawing as well as doing cool hair?
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:45, archived)
# I'm a fan of the whole 'tracing' fraternity, so I usually go a little out of the way with these.
First layer, above the image is for sketchy lines. 2 or 3px brush and just get the basic shapes down and the rough lights and darks of the hair. Then I open up my large canvas, paste the sketch, and work above it for the final layer, with the original picture open next to it. It gets a little irritating having to constantly move the reference picture around, though.

I'm going to start doing these in my sketchbook soon though.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:50, archived)
# The hair is still unnaturally brilliant
and clearly something which can't be traced though.

I don't like tracing or even drawing from reference photos if I am trying to draw something other than an actual person. I like to think it will help me build up my drawing ability and stock of poses, anatomy and bodies. It doesn't seem to, but that's the theory.Works for some things, not for others. Like I managed to draw a person from a high perspective with foreshortening alright, barring the face, but completely fucked up a female form.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:54, archived)
# It is clearly something that can be traced
so lets not be confusing the issue.

As for you, if you don't like photo reference then do what I have learned. Use 3d Models an base your scene on those. You can get a good set of models with poser for under £150.


As for you tsatter. I just don't understand the sharp edge of it all, tha5t's it. I know if I use a feathered brush I'm getting a fuzzy edge ( the feather ) .
Hey, I'm not making statements, just trying to learn stuff I don't know. Me being an adobe whore.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:05, archived)
# Hair can be traced
but the style and images of hair he does could not be done from tracing, purely because there are not loads of strands. Plus the lines are absolutely massive compared to actual hairs. You can follow the movement of the hair, I am not contesting that, but it is not done by just drawing lines where you see shapes as you commonly do in tracing.

I realise I can use 3d models if I can't find the reference, but that doesn't improve my abilty to draw scenes from thought. Which is, let's be honest, what most people want to do.

EDIT: it does look like it is done with what would be in Photoshop a non feathered hard brush, just with the graphics tablet pressure sensitivity set high so you can get nice thin to thick lines.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:08, archived)
# I'm not trying to
slag off Tsatters stuff and be assured he knows that. Just trying to understand more about it.
Have something for bedtime.

Click for bigger (295KB)
PSD's for those of you inclined to look at those things and moan about the simple filters used.
www.mediafire.com/?2hxtnzdz9tb
www.mediafire.com/?8zjih3cdjdg

from scratch is nice sometimes.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:24, archived)
# Links are down
On a personal note I think the grainy effect spoils that, especially on the left gun flame (although I think that is actually a seperate distortion effect to the grain on the background colours).
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:29, archived)
# But now you are telling me
How I need to render my own drawings. Surely something is wrong there.
I create something and choose to exhibit it. Do people ring up the Beano and say "hey, your rendering is shit"? I think not and I'm now really insulted.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:33, archived)
# I never quite understand the method of your arguing sometimes
it's like a bizarre combination of sarcasm and devil's advocate.

As I did say, on a personal note if I could get to those PSDs I would remove the grainy effects as I think the result would be better. You can wipe your own faeces on it as far as i'm concerned but as soon as you make a valued judgement to display any work you ultimately justify its criticism.

Also I phone up the Beano all the time and tell them their rendering is shit, and I don't even read it, or have a phone.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:38, archived)
# I was not arguing
and will not confuse you more. Sorry for bothering you.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:47, archived)
# Mmm patronising
Well I presumed you were joking, but this whole thread of conversation feels like it's falling into a horrible social climax.

*goes to bed*
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1:51, archived)
# I like it.
As for change, just let it come naturally. Play around with some changes when you're bored with it. If it turns out good, hey, that's a plus...
(Pelle ghola, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:46, archived)
# :D ta, and I shall have a fiddle in the morning :)
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 28 Feb 2008, 0:52, archived)