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# smashing.
lovely nice. And what a fabulous reason for me to pea my train station.


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(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:39, archived)
# paint?
or some new fangled TECHNOLOGY muck?
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:42, archived)
# paint......
er X from corel.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:44, archived)
# i dont even know what that is!
it must be good!
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:47, archived)
# Corel Painter X
it's like working with paint and canvas without the mess.

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I like it. But I'm a mere amateur compared to what people do with it.

www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/gb/en/Product/1166553885783

when you buy it, it even comes in a paint tin.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:53, archived)
# mmmm
nice stuff

i dont really like using graphics tablets
i like to be able to see the pencil marks coming From the pen.

but one thing.
were those drawn freehand?
cause i'm always suspicious of people using computer programs who can draw accurately like that.
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:04, archived)
# I'm not sure what you mean
by freehand. With a tablet you either drew it or you didn't and if you didn't then I guess you used software to do it for you. I do trace stuff and I do use photo reference but every strike is done by hand.
As for accurate? the things I posted are hardly technically accurate, very far from it.

You can make some nice drawings with a tablet if you put your mind to it and not have people who prefer graphite look down their noses at you. Tablets are just cleaner and facilitate a faster way of working.


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(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:09, archived)
# no no
you misunderstand
i'm not looking down my nose at you

it's just that with a computer cheating is a lot easier. but then that's not to say it isn't a skill.
it's just one i don't really enjoy cause i can't get the hang of it.


i agree it's much easier and cleaner.
assuming you know the program well. i always get frustrated by not being able to do things i could do in less than three seconds with a pencil and paper... but i guess that's just learning the software.


what i meant by freehand was... do you start with a blank canvas and start drawing on it, or do you put some stuff in as a background layer and trace over it.
which isn't to say tracing detracts from it at all, it just becomes a different set of skills. for example exemplifying the hair like in your picture here to give an unnatural effect, but a nice one nonetheless (assuming you traced this one... i dont know...)
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:16, archived)
# It depends what I'm doing.
I do draw from my mind's eye. I'm working on some concept characters right now and have my anatomy books scattered about.
quick things like seascapes and landscapes don't take a minute to brush in either photoshop or anything else and I can knock them out all day.
Portraits I will trace the basics because it is quicker, more precise and I do it for the result and not an excersise in how well I can observe something.
My days of art class are long, long behind me.

I know what you mean with frustration at not knowing a program well enough to get the result you want. I was like that with photoshop for years before I decided to get to grips with it.
I'm currently being frustrated with Maya but I will work on it, especially having seen that this guy uses it to base his fantastic work on.
www.raycaesar.com/
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:26, archived)
# well
as much as you can instantly get something nice looking if you trace
it's more about training your eye
it's kind've essential for Anyone doing visual art of any kind.

if you can draw perfectly freehand, it's not that you have a pointless skill that can be undermined by tracing... it just allows you to do everything better.

i'd recomend life drawing to photographers.
but they look at me funny :)


also that IS some mighty nice drawing!
although people like that just make we want to give up with their stupid mastery :(
mind you... i AM only 20... this guy's probably been practising a while longer than me...
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:34, archived)
# I'm 42
and have been drawing technically for my work for years.
I can sketch well, and I can paint in any number of mediums. I just don't.
All it comes down to now is a little hobby and I make pictures to please me and if someone else happens to like them then all the better.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:37, archived)
# well now i feel stupid
clearly you've had enough practice in your lifetime especially if you draw technically for your work...
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:56, archived)
# hehe, don't worry.
I have this on my desk if it makes you feel better that I'm not totally digital.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sun 18 May 2008, 1:59, archived)
# hehe
i dont have a problem with people using photoshop. there's stuff on there you just cant do on paper, which is clearly a good thing.

i just can't be arsed to get to grips with it just yet...
i will one day, just you wait n see :)

i'll be all...fwofff! rasterize!
...or something.
(quibble, Sun 18 May 2008, 2:11, archived)
# I love this.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Sun 18 May 2008, 0:43, archived)