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# A gun like that has forgotten the meaning of war.
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 1:57, archived)
# And given it seems to be made of gold, the meaning of mass as well.
(Jeru War and Piss, Mon 18 May 2009, 1:59, archived)
# It's just gold plated.
Edit: did you see the small alteration I did to the arm?
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 1:59, archived)
# Aye aye, it looks good, I think it just needs some kind of darkened shading on the far left of the left shoulder
you know so it doesn't look quite so flat, and would imply it's bending away slightly.

EDIT: Would anyone like to see some of the 20 drawings I've just done for my little randomburn book? They range from terrible to weird.
(Jeru War and Piss, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:02, archived)
# As such?
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:05, archived)
# Yeah, I don't know quite precisely what you'd need to remove the anatomical ambiguity.
I think it might actually be because the shoulder pad on his left shoulder isn't slanting down in the same way as on the right.
I don't know, I hate trying to draw figures. Did you use a reference?
(Jeru War and Piss, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:09, archived)
# Nope.
I only used reference of my own arms in a jacket, and that was just for the folds and some positioning of arm.

I have no shoulder pads as reference.
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:19, archived)
# you should color his skin black
i like black people

there arent enough black people
(I helped save b3ta! d d, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:17, archived)
# I can make a special black one for you.
But he's white because the person who wanted him done wanted him white.
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:19, archived)
# Yes we want to see them.
NOW

NOWWWW
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. Cleo still alive, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:07, archived)
# they better have a beginning, a middle and an end and a full array of punchlines and jokes
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:08, archived)
# I'm always happy to see people's sketches.
As for Cleo's picture then there really ought to be a clear rendering process for this kind of thing ( I know you can't make everyone do it the same but there is an efficient way ) and if you get hooked up on final rendering when there are parts of the image not even underpainted then there is a huge risk of the image becoming disjointed.
At the very least you should get your sketch down, ( inked if you are going that way ) flats layer, underpainting, shadow layer for depth and then all your paint layers to give it life. If you get hooked on making a particular area perfect before you have started another area you become very loathe to correct those earlier areas and can end up with something that's not flowing.

This is an opinion. I'm sober and not an expert.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Mon 18 May 2009, 2:55, archived)