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# To be honest, no one really knows how he died
There are several different ways, I just like the red hot poker one, which also has several different ways of how it was done
(, Mon 15 Jun 2009, 18:43, archived)
# Yes, but nobody has ever suggested that it was surreptitious.
If it was the poker then he was attacked and held down.
(, Mon 15 Jun 2009, 19:08, archived)