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I've started to read the discussion, I've only read the first guy's post so far! The first guy is suggesting the Electric universe idea by saying that only observable things should be acknowledged in scientific theory, which he has a good point that dark matter and dark energy are made up scientific ideas to fit the current model of cosmology. To digress, dark matter was "made-up" because it was found that galaxies could not stay together with gravity given the current knowledge of gravity, so to fit the current knowledge of gravity, dark matter suddenly appeared, which needs to be heavy, or a lot of it, because gravity is considered the "weak force". There are also many theories about why gravity is the "weak force" (e.g. Parallel universes etc.) But the Electric Universe theory assumes that it is not gravity, it is electromagnetism.

edit; And all of it seems valid, as long as it fits a theory using *observable* points
(, Wed 17 Dec 2008, 17:55, Reply)