Im fucking sick of intollerance on both sides
I got called a cunt and a hypocrit (probably true but anyway) for saying the Pat bloke should shut his trap. Same goes for this guy.
How about every one realise theyre an insignificant speck of dirt in the scheme of things, their opinion is their own, fair enough let others hear it. But dont be so up your own arse when you do, and show a bit of respect. ie. dont base your whole argument of your belief on calling other peoples beliefs devoid of inteligence etc.
Its not black and white though, i worry about fundementalists and cults and brainwashing..
But if some one believes in scientology without being brainwashed 9how ever unlikley that is) theyre more than welcome to it.
I dont totaly understand why I'm a cunt for thinking that, but there you go.. I dont mind being called a cunt if I am for thinking this guy is a self rightious prat, with nothing better to than get a kick out offending people. What he spouts is so fucking Daily Mailesque to me.. anyway.. i may be a cunt.. but here's the cunt im talkign about.. b3ta.com/links/261011#post261090
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Jorvic, Sun 4 Jan 2009, 15:34,
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In theory I agree.
But where is the line? You say that Scientology is OK as long as the person is not brainwashed but surely that's the point - it's a subjective standard. I think it would be safe to say that all people who truly believe in whichever faith would never categorizse themselves as brainwashed, and that includes me, as an atheist.
But there is the problem. Scientologists would say that because I have been to a therapist in my distant past I am a victim of the 'disease of psychology', and would view me with as much distain as is heaped on them every time they are in the news. It helped me at the time however, and no-one can tell me it didn't, no matter how many books they have written or how much evidence there is to the contrary.
People don't want to believe they are a insignificant speck of dust, and I think that this need for people to feel important and loved is why religion is such a big deal - everyone wants to think that there is someone looking after them at all times, surely?
I just don't really it it bother me. I am not religious, but if someone wants to be, and they feel it helps them, then all power to them. However, if they expect me not to poke a little fun at it from time to time then they are having a bubble bath.
Sorry about the rant.
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boyo81 was laying down his ordinance on, Sun 4 Jan 2009, 16:00,
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To be fair I agree with that
I suppose I'm all for a bit of discussion on forums etc. I do it all the time.. I gues I find it anoying when bloggers (especialy v.bloggers who just like the sound of thweir own voice) but their opinions on a pedastool?
hmm I may have to give this some more thought, its hard not to be hypoctritical about this?
It my belief that every ones beliefs are as worthy/worthless as every one elses.. but I suppose if some one's belief is that their beliefs are more worthy than others, who the fuck am I to disagree ;)
Hmm its a toughy... i gues its just that i dont draw the line at hating emo v.bloggers and that i hate v.bloggers in general.. well self rightious ones..
The only problem is for my degree i'm doing a module on web 2.0 and as such have to make a blog at some point.. maybe I should do a self rightious v.blog on how much I hate v.bloggers?
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Jorvic, Sun 4 Jan 2009, 16:24,
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It's like a mirror, reflected in a mirror, surrounded by shadows and shrouded in mystery
I think i'm just too old to get that worked up about things anymore. Except Leeds United consistently being more shit that they were yesterday, and reality TV. Oh, and I also could do without emo youtube stuff, but that can easily be avoided by just not watching the videos...
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boyo81 was laying down his ordinance on, Sun 4 Jan 2009, 16:54,
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Well,
I think there is a good litmus paper and that is: Is it true?
If the religious tits would stop indoctrinating children at a time when they are, pretty much, conditioned to believe what they hear then I would agree with you.
EDit: Also, from what you have written, I don't think you have really listened to Pat Condell - this does mean that I take your views with a handful of salt.
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Hmm sort of
Not having kids my self I dunno. But surely its hard not to indoctrinate your chilren into what you believe?
Anyway i grew up in C of E, went to sunday school, went to a C of E primary school, got confirmed when I was 11 or what ever. I managed to work out I was at least agnostic by the time I was 15.
I do have a problem with people indoctrinating their kids to be homophobic through the guise of religion, racist through religion etc. etc.
But as far as personal belief, and joining with other people at a place of worship with a similar belief I dont see a problem with it.
Same way if some one wants to own a morris minor, and wants to join a group of other people who own morris minors ever sunday or what ever.. theres not alot I can do about that.
Charitable status i suppose is an issue.. Not saying there arn;t issues with religion etc.
I just dont think an attitude of intollerance helps things.. the less people are intollerant the more im happy.. Even if it does make me sound like a hypocrit when i have a go about them ;)
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Jorvic, Sun 4 Jan 2009, 18:45,
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